Very Offending Video....

[SwintellSoft]

Well i was watching videos on youtube , you know how it is, it goes from watching pranks to phone pranks to school pranks to school fights bla bla bal

well i came across this video... and this mans right were seriously violated.... and no one could do anything about it? it was wrong


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA...feature=related

just wanting your opinions

[Jacob]

I have come across this video a few times via YouTube and my response has never really changed.
He did bring up some valid arguements and this just shows, if anyone tries to speak out, the government (including it's law enforcement officers) will not allow anyone to voice it.

Jacob.

[SwintellSoft]

That is the sad truth..... But the fact is that anyone who trys to speak up HAS to be loud... because Any one with power will just silence them

you hear all kinds of ppl saying " well be calm" and "go at it with pace" there is no pace or calmnes.. they will just shoot you down and shut you up...

you have to say it loud and quike and that usually causes a scene lol

[Jacob]

And they wonder why American Teens go to school with guns...

Jacob.

[IamShipon1988]

The thing about that student is that he never really threatened Kerry. I have no idea why they would go to such extent to taser him. Like Jacob said, he did bring up some very valid questions and I am pretty sure we are going to have similar effects on this years election.

[Paperdreamer]

People say the student, Andrew Meyer, had a constitutional right to say what he wanted in any environment (this was a guest speaker event at a university). Strictly speaking, the guy was supposed to ask 1 question about the forum or about the issues that the speaker talked about at that forum. Instead, the student went over 1 minute besides asking unrelated, inflammatory questions. It's great that people in this country have free speech. But I don't think we should necessarily claim that the right to do something equals the correctness in which it's done in a certain place and time.

Tasing is a serious method to subdue a person; there are lots of cases were people have died from the electric shock (probably because the person who did the tasing did it incorrectly). But tasing is supposed to be a step down method from the more brutal use of batons. The uni police tased Andrew because (1) he wouldn't shut up and then (2) they asked him to leave the auditorium. When he didn't, the police tried to handcuff him. The student literally fought back so they used more forceful methods to hold him down. they also tased him on the shoulder, a place where tasing pain is more minimal.

I think this video has a certain perspective, which is valid in its own right. But to understand the scope of the larger issue you should really dig a bit deeper. Andrew didn't have any run-ins with the law before this, but he did upload humour comedies on his own site. The recording you saw was actually from his own camera, which he handed to a bystander when he took the mike.

What this video didn't show was what happened after they left the auditorium (and a different perspective) >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU...feature=related

[LimitedEdition]

fucking hell, time when u wish you had a fucking gun lol

[Andrew]

Honestly I would have been the one tasering him.

[DJPazze]

Firstly, old!1111
I agree with this.

As much freedom of speech as he has, he resisted arrest, and that ruined his argument. It would have been far more effective if he pulled a Gandhi and took the moral high ground, but no. Resisting arrest is completely stupid, he got what he deserved.

Also, hahaha@his cries.

Why would you laugh at something like that???

I know how he felt but its sad that he doesnt know his country, how his country works.

Oh yeah, Godbless America!!! LMFAO!!

[Andrew]

I laugh everytime I hear his cries.

Here's a spoof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

[SwintellSoft]

People say the student, Andrew Meyer, had a constitutional right to say what he wanted in any environment (this was a guest speaker event at a university). Strictly speaking, the guy was supposed to ask 1 question about the forum or about the issues that the speaker talked about at that forum. Instead, the student went over 1 minute besides asking unrelated, inflammatory questions. It's great that people in this country have free speech. But I don't think we should necessarily claim that the right to do something equals the correctness in which it's done in a certain place and time.

Tasing is a serious method to subdue a person; there are lots of cases were people have died from the electric shock (probably because the person who did the tasing did it incorrectly). But tasing is supposed to be a step down method from the more brutal use of batons. The uni police tased Andrew because (1) he wouldn't shut up and then (2) they asked him to leave the auditorium. When he didn't, the police tried to handcuff him. The student literally fought back so they used more forceful methods to hold him down. they also tased him on the shoulder, a place where tasing pain is more minimal.

I think this video has a certain perspective, which is valid in its own right. But to understand the scope of the larger issue you should really dig a bit deeper. Andrew didn't have any run-ins with the law before this, but he did upload humour comedies on his own site. The recording you saw was actually from his own camera, which he handed to a bystander when he took the mike.

What this video didn't show was what happened after they left the auditorium (and a different perspective) >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU...feature=related

I looked at the video several time lol and the guards definitly were not exacly telling the truth , if you watch other videos the guards claim he elbowed and pushed and faught back but if you watch the video all he did was get scared because he was just a student wanting to express his opinion....

Firstly, old!1111
I agree with this.

As much freedom of speech as he has, he resisted arrest, and that ruined his argument. It would have been far more effective if he pulled a Gandhi and took the moral high ground, but no. Resisting arrest is completely stupid, he got what he deserved.

Also, hahaha@his cries.

I know its old I just wanted to share it. and No those were not police oficers they were campus guards and They were escorting him out... As much as he did do wrong they also were at fault , I think they should have at least tryed to explain instead they scared him by making him think he was being arrested (wich he was later on) but You would cry to if you were tasered lol

[Paperdreamer]

I looked at the video several time lol and the guards definitly were not exacly telling the truth , if you watch other videos the guards claim he elbowed and pushed and faught back but if you watch the video all he did was get scared because he was just a student wanting to express his opinion....

I know its old I just wanted to share it. and No those were not police oficers they were campus guards and They were escorting him out... As much as he did do wrong they also were at fault , I think they should have at least tryed to explain instead they scared him by making him think he was being arrested (wich he was later on) but You would cry to if you were tasered lol

But he did push and elbow and generally fight back. And you don't have to "elbow" or "push" to resist arrest. You can be jumping up and down, shouting, and trying to go the opposite direction than the way the police are pulling you towards. Which he did.

"Getting scared" is cowering, cringing and sitting in the fetal position. Maybe rocking back and forth if he thought he was going to die. I don't think he was really scared until he got tased, but that was more like a surprised and pained reaction.

Watch the video I posted, it paints a clearer 3rd person picture. It's important for people to express their opinion but every platform has its place. And it's not like he was immediately removed just for speaking his mind. Meyer spent more than the allowed 1 minute and asked more than the allowed 1 question before the police even started tellign him to stop talking. He was removed for taking more than his allotted time to speak, resisting arrest, and causing a scene.

If Meyer had something other than the actual conference to discuss, then he should have waited outside the auditorium to voice his opinions. Other people were at the forum too. He didn't think about what they wanted to get from the speaker, which might have been different from what he wanted.

They are uni police but that doesn't mean they don't have the rights to subdue him. Apparently, there are issues with tasing because a lot of police haven't formally been trained to use a taser safely and effectively. In this case, it looks like it was done right. The government police are there to protect applicable laws but uni police are there to promote order and safety within the school. Even if they can't really "arrest" him, they can detain him for the benefit of himself and others.

I'm in uni myself so I'm not trying to say that opinion is bad or people should keep a low profile and not try to change the world. Andfrew Meyer was not the victim the media made him out to be. And the automatic answer to every problem should not be "the Man".

[SwintellSoft]

But he did push and elbow and generally fight back. And you don't have to "elbow" or "push" to resist arrest. You can be jumping up and down, shouting, and trying to go the opposite direction than the way the police are pulling you towards. Which he did.

"Getting scared" is cowering, cringing and sitting in the fetal position. Maybe rocking back and forth if he thought he was going to die. I don't think he was really scared until he got tased, but that was more like a surprised and pained reaction.

Watch the video I posted, it paints a clearer 3rd person picture. It's important for people to express their opinion but every platform has its place. And it's not like he was immediately removed just for speaking his mind. Meyer spent more than the allowed 1 minute and asked more than the allowed 1 question before the police even started tellign him to stop talking. He was removed for taking more than his allotted time to speak, resisting arrest, and causing a scene.

If Meyer had something other than the actual conference to discuss, then he should have waited outside the auditorium to voice his opinions. Other people were at the forum too. He didn't think about what they wanted to get from the speaker, which might have been different from what he wanted.

They are uni police but that doesn't mean they don't have the rights to subdue him. Apparently, there are issues with tasing because a lot of police haven't formally been trained to use a taser safely and effectively. In this case, it looks like it was done right. The government police are there to protect applicable laws but uni police are there to promote order and safety within the school. Even if they can't really "arrest" him, they can detain him for the benefit of himself and others.

I'm in uni myself so I'm not trying to say that opinion is bad or people should keep a low profile and not try to change the world. Andfrew Meyer was not the victim the media made him out to be. And the automatic answer to every problem should not be "the Man".

He wasnt resisting arrest because those were campus gaurds he wasnt really "under arrest" if he was they would have read him his rights....

and your "theory" of what scared means to "YOU" is wrong , being scared doesnt have a set effect on just every one , it may be that way for you but for some it may be different , when i get scared i dont crawl into the vetle position and cry.... and it depends on what your scared of.... Dying and being arrested are totally different things so that is out the windows , thank you very much...


and your right he was breaking the rules... And he apologised for that part but he was being handcuffed when they tased em... I mean cmon there were that i saw 2 bigo guys and that guy was sorta calming a bit they could have arrested him without tasing him.... it just scared him even more... and his lawyer even argued the taser was a bit much.... '


Different opinions do count and Mine is i think he was at some fault but they shouldnt have tased him I mean I could have detained him by myself without tasering him....

and Im not trying to sound like a hippy by saying "the man" but Its very corrupt system and you can pull any person off the street , office, restraunt and they will tell you the same thing... I just thing he felt he had to speak his mind because he might never get the chance again....

[Adam]

I laugh everytime I hear his cries.

Here's a spoof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

hahahahaha
So good.

[Paperdreamer]

He wasnt resisting arrest because those were campus gaurds he wasnt really "under arrest" if he was they would have read him his rights....

your "theory" of what scared means to "YOU" is wrong , being scared doesnt have a set effect on just every one , it may be that way for you but for some it may be different , when i get scared i dont crawl into the vetle position and cry.... and it depends on what your scared of.... Dying and being arrested are totally different things so that is out the windows , thank you very much...

You're contradicting yourself here: My theory of what "scared means to [ME] is wrong", yet somehow "being scared doesnt have a set effect on just everyone"?
When I said that he wasn't scared, I was trying to underscore the point that a scared person shows fear. When I described fear, I didn't mean dying in the literal sense but the raw look of someone scared shitless. Jumping up and down and trying to scream the rest of his argument to John Kerry illustrates confidence (which can exist despite fear). In this case, the confidence was because he believed in himself and really didn't think anything serious was going to happen to him. Why do you think he had someone record him?

I don't belive that Meyer was surprised at being pseudo-arrested. If you planned to create a scene in front of a large audience and target an important public figure at his own conference AND you refuse to leave when asked, you would not expect to be reprimanded? really? The guy is a communications major. Give me a break.

As for the fear during the tasering, that is pain, not fear. After the tasering, when he thought he might be arrested, that type of fear isn't that of a drowning person or a victimized person. It's like the fear you'd feel if you took an exam you never studied for...you put yourself there.

and your right he was breaking the rules... And he apologised for that part but he was being handcuffed when they tased em... I mean cmon there were that i saw 2 bigo guys and that guy was sorta calming a bit they could have arrested him without tasing him.... it just scared him even more... and his lawyer even argued the taser was a bit much.... '
Different opinions do count and Mine is i think he was at some fault but they shouldnt have tased him I mean I could have detained him by myself without tasering him....

and Im not trying to sound like a hippy by saying "the man" but Its very corrupt system and you can pull any person off the street , office, restraunt and they will tell you the same thing... I just thing he felt he had to speak his mind because he might never get the chance again....

• I agree he wasn't really under arrest but I don't think that campus security acted out of place in subduing him. The tasing part was a little extreme but they are authorized to use it against resistant individuals.
• This is a guest conference, where the guy was given more time to speak than any other audience member before they took the mike away. No doubt the guy had some important points to raise but there are lots of other ways to voice them! Believe it or not, uni is a good place to take a stand if you work hard to do it.
• When you say that "he was being handcuffed when they tased em", I think you miss the point that they tased him so that they would be able to handcuff him. His movement was too erratic for them to handcuff him by gentle force. The fact that there were several people on top of him and they still couldn't control him just makes that more obvious.
• I never said others' opinions didn't count. I just think you are supporting Andrew Meyer because you support freedom of speech. One is a person linked to an event and the other is an ideal; it is very important to distinguish between the two. If everyone should be able to use freedom of speech as an excuse for tactlessness, then there would be many demonstrators tearing up both national party conventions this election year and no security could do anything about it.
• I agree that the government probably does censor a lot of dissent (that maybe we don't even know about). But you've stretched the extent of that a bit too far. A good example would be Michael Moore, who has done a very good job increasing public awareness of government inadequacies.

I don't think it's wrong for people to speak out against something they think is evil or bad. In fact, that is very good and as an immigrant, I can appreciate that much better than many native born Americans who take it for granted. But I also understand that the best way to beat the system is to do it while following the rules of the game. If you win something fairly and do it the right way, no one can ever hold that against you. They might hate that you were right. But you will be right.

By the way, he ended up formally apologising and admitting he acted like a dick and got what he deserved.

If he truly believed that his actions were acceptable then he would not have apologised. He was in the wrong, he knew it, he got punished. That's all there is to it.

Yes!

[Jetteh22]

I agree w/ a few of the others.
Sure, we all have a right to "freedom of speech" but he was on private property. Being so, he could say what he wanted but if anybody were to ask him to leave he HAS to leave by law. By not leaving when the police were attempting to escort him out, he was being uncooperative and thereby trespassing (IMO).

No, I don't think the cops should have tasered him. They should have grabbed him, cuffed him and took him out off of he property. Tasing him was wrong.

But what he was doing was wrong too.

[Memieko]

Firstly, old!1111
I agree with this.

As much freedom of speech as he has, he resisted arrest, and that ruined his argument. It would have been far more effective if he pulled a Gandhi and took the moral high ground, but no. Resisting arrest is completely stupid, he got what he deserved.

Also, hahaha@his cries.

But if the police hadn't arrested him first he wouldn't have resisted. The tasering doesn't bug me, it's the fact that they arrested him when it's against freedom of speech (but then again he could have been breaking the peace that gave them the authority to arrest him.)

[Andrew]

Actually your Freedom of Speach right can be limited in auditorium like that, especially when it's a private place

[SwintellSoft]

By the way, he ended up formally apologising and admitting he acted like a dick and got what he deserved.

If he truly believed that his actions were acceptable then he would not have apologised. He was in the wrong, he knew it, he got punished. That's all there is to it.

lol as Posted above I know that he also said he didnt think the tasering was necisary and thats my argument here... read the above post


and tripping above is right , and after I watched a couple more videos on it , my opinion had changed dirasticly but he did say the forum had set rules and he broke them but he also said the tasering was NOT needed



Paperdreamer: dude just face it man he was scared.... You would be to he thought he was under arrest and you were trying to say he wasnt...
Its true that ppl act different ways when they are scared....and he wasnt finishing his questions when he was jumping up and down he was saying

"Help! can somebody do some thing! please help!" your just twisting it to fit your own needs....

[Paperdreamer]

Paperdreamer: dude just face it man he was scared.... You would be to he thought he was under arrest and you were trying to say he wasnt...
Its true that ppl act different ways when they are scared....and he wasnt finishing his questions when he was jumping up and down he was saying

"Help! can somebody do some thing! please help!" your just twisting it to fit your own needs....

And why would people help him? He didn't leave when asked. No one knew he was going to get tased until later.
I'll accept that he was scared. It would have been nice to if he knew what he was doing and was ready to accept whatever punishment, though :/

It's hard to believe that an educated person who (a) stages a one-person protest and (b) won't stop shouting would not understand that he could be arrested for disturbing the peace.
People go to frat parties and drink even when they're not legal. They know they might get arrested if they're caught. If he's going to do something so important, why hasn't he looked at the possible consequences?

Even if he wasn't arrested, the university could have reprimanded him for his conduct as a student on their campus. My school is pretty strict; I could expect at least a suspension if I had an unauthorized random protest at a guest forum here. And helllllll no, I do not want that overshadowing my transcript!

I feel kind of bad for him but I don't really sympathize with his situation.