Mccain Or Obama?

[MrTouz]

Ok my friend... It was your CHOICE to like men instead of women. Wasn't it? I mean, Nobody forced you to be gay! It's something you wanted to be.

I don't wanna hurt your feelings so I'll be nice to you. Just because you are GAY

ok now this is bad

What i don't understand is why most people that actually are homosexual or like the idea of it.. or do not complain about it... ask lets say 'us' (there is no you and me and you and us) to change what we are.
You guys ask us to change our point of views, ask us to agree with what you guys do but as stated above... you guys decided to become what you became. I mean, you guys change and we have to follow as well ? is this not a little bit unfair ?

Straight is what people are, homosexuals are what people became, its not a valid reason for what people are, to accept what homosexuals became.

Basically, i don't want to change because you did. Nor accept what you became, nor change my point of view or complain about it.

We have different opinions about the subject its a waste of time of posting here. or we should all go to a chat room and discuss about this (its been 20 minutes that everybody is here but has not said anything)

[Jetteh22]

What i don't understand is why most people that actually are homosexual or like the idea of it.. or do not complain about it... ask lets say 'us' (there is no you and me and you and us) to change what we are.
You guys ask us to change our point of views, ask us to agree with what you guys do but as stated above... you guys decided to become what you became. I mean, you guys change and we have to follow as well ? is this not a little bit unfair ?

No. You're not getting it. Ask ANY gay person if they CHOSE to be gay. See what they say.

Straight is what people are, homosexuals are what people became, its not a valid reason for what people are, to accept what homosexuals became.

Bullshit. What about the KINGS in medieval days who had "male servents" that they had sex with? They were married, had queens but ALOT of kings had sex with males. It's a natural thing that happened back then.

Basically, i don't want to change because you did. Nor accept what you became, nor change my point of view or complain about it.

I don't want to change you. I don't want to change myself. I don't give two shits what your point of view is. What I care about is the fact that YOU guys are trying to take rights away from "us" because we just HAPPEN to like the same sex.

We have different opinions about the subject its a waste of time of posting here. or we should all go to a chat room and discuss about this (its been 20 minutes that everybody is here but has not said anything)

Discussion over.


And you both misunderstood my post.
Let me bold it for you.

Being gay isn't something that is forced upon somebody, it isn't something that somebody really CHOOSES..

I didn't wake up and say "OH IM GAY!"
No..
I just never had feelings for women.
NEVER.

[MrTouz]

But MrTouz.. I could give two shits about my relations. How would you like it if people were telling you that since you are french you shouldn't be allowed to be married. You shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids. JUST because you are french.

Lets not discuss about something that will never happen, its not about me as a French but about you as a Gay.

Religion should NOT be a factor in deciding rights for ANYBODY. We have the right to practice ANY religion we want to. We also have the right to practice NO religion.

it shouldn't i agree with you... religion sucks for me.. you probably know my opinions (from other tppics) Religion is doing only bad and not goods as its suppose to be.

BUT i am sorry to tell you that RELIGION IS LEADING THIS WORLD. sadly it is, its just the way it is and you will have to deal about it, since its leading the world than you have to understand that most if not all religions do not allow homosexuality than you got a serious problem.

If you want to know my age, i am 19 years old, younger but trust me... i have 'experience' in life. (not that i like to say it) but lets say that what i type is not just a typical 19 yo response.

Sigh. Maybe it's just where I live that nobody cares who's gay and who's not. Everybody loves everybody for their personality, not their sexuality.

You must live in San Fransisco then... (no i see it on your profile)

[Jetteh22]

I meant younger as in like 13 or 14 years old.

[DJPazze]

Okay, you're right.
DJPazze I owe you an apology. I don't want you to die. I don't want anyone to die.

But MrTouz.. I could give two shits about my relations. How would you like it if people were telling you that since you are french you shouldn't be allowed to be married. You shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids. JUST because you are french.

And FYI you two.. I know a few people who have gay parents and, well.. They turned out just fine. They're also straight too.

So.. I really don't know what you guys are talking about.

Sure if my boyfriend and I were to adopt.. I would get a girl for the sake of the boy growing up. It would be a hard life. "Oh I bet your dad fucks you," or something if we got a boy.. Yes, that would be hard.

It just -really- pissed me off when DJPazze said "oh if you give them the right to marraige they'll start wanting other rights"... Wtf is that?

This country is BASED on the belief that EVERY MAN SHOULD BE CREATED EQUAL.. Correct?

Well... I'm a human. Every gay person is human. Every black person is human. Every chinese person is human. Mexicans are human. Transexuals are human...

Religion should NOT be a factor in deciding rights for ANYBODY. We have the right to practice ANY religion we want to. We also have the right to practice NO religion.

By saying GAY people shouldn't have rights is like saying that anybody who does NOT believe in god should NOT be allowed to be married or have children.

It's a fucked up idea. It's a fucked up country. It's a fucked up world.

DJPazze, you're fighting a fight that you won't win. Sure.. Gay marraige may not be legal this year. May not be legal next year. It may not be legal for 20 years... But I can -promise- you it will be legal one day. Why fight something that is going to happen anyways?

I consider myself a NICE human being. I don't go around judging people based on their beliefs. I don't judge people based on their looks. I don't judge people based on their sexuality. I don't murder people. I don't rape people. I don't steal. I try my hardest not to lie...

What makes you such a better person that you should get more rights than me?
No. It wasn't my CHOICE. Like I said. I never woke up one day and told myself "Hmm I think from this day forth I will like MEN!" Just like you never woke up and said "Hmm I think I'll like WOMEN!!!" No.. It just happened. When you begin puberty you start to experience feelings towards other people. Your feelings went towards women. Mine went towards men.

And as in choice, if you mean.. COULD I be straight? No.
I COULD have sex with a women. I -have- kissed women at parties. I have felt another girls tits... I could marry a women if i really wanted to... But would I enjoy any of that? No. Because my feelings are built towards men.

And please don't be nice to me because I'm "GAY"... I'm not nice to you because you're straight. Hell, I'm not nice to you at all.

Every time you post something you just piss me off.

How old are you? The majority of the people on these forums, I believe, are -young- and they don't have enough experience in life to realize what anything means yet.

I'm 20 years old. I've watched my 5 older brothers go through the OH I HATE GAYS stage and now I see them as VERY generous people who would care less if their best friend turned out gay (or their brother)...

Sigh. Maybe it's just where I live that nobody cares who's gay and who's not. Everybody loves everybody for their personality, not their sexuality.

Don't even use Nationalities as examples.

We are not talking about whether or not we like Gay people. I have had friends who were/are gay, they were cool just like any other people... BUT.... like I said before, this is not about liking gay people. We as the Majority care about kids and future generations who will live in this planet. Marrying another person of the same gender is NOT RIGHT! THat is insane.

I think you didn't get my point. I have NOTHING against gay people, yes they are free to choose who they want to satisfy their sexual needs with. but Marriage + adopting kids= NO!!!


Oh yeah, i forgot to post my age... I am 19.

[MrTouz]

Jetteh you don't understand what i mean by became what you became by changing.
What you are is different... you can't deny ? i mean... since creation everybody was straight... you can't say no about this fact, well you are not straight you are gay, meaning you are different.

Now you are asking us, to change our point of views or allow you to have rights BTW i correct you :

YOU guys are trying to take rights away from "us"

you don't have any as a gay couple or homosexual couple... you want rights, but don't have any. lets not confuse our selves.
Again why would you want me to change my point of views, or allow you something while you changed, you became what you became... not that i have something about it.

SO now i am a Zoophile (from the french word) people that have sex with animals. Can i marry a dog ? i mean.. i am not different than you.. i want to marry my horse (he has a big cock and i like it) so i want to marry him ! i want my horse once he dies to give me his insurance money

Bullshit. What about the KINGS in medieval days who had "male servents" that they had sex with? They were married, had queens but ALOT of kings had sex with males. It's a natural thing that happened back then.

its natural... even the Greeks liked to see guys penises... but again no King asked to marry a guy. Since as you might know... King is the representation of GOD in earth so as a King follows religion he can't have a gay dude for marriage. So basically what you say means nothing and is not acceptable in our conversation !



EDIT :

DJpazze i have to agree with the above post.

[Jetteh22]

As I said.
Discussion over.
We're way off topic now.

You have your beliefs:
Gay people should not be allowed to be married or adopt kids.

I have mine:
They should be allowed to be both.

Done

[MrTouz]

now which one of the two (obama mccain) is or is not for the above ?

[Jetteh22]

Neither.
I'm not voting. I don't like either one.

[DJPazze]

I am voting for my grandpa McCain.

Don't ask why...

[aussiemcgr]

Really wanted the last word on this topic, but since Jetteh wants it to stop, I'll respect that.

I'm pro-Obama. I can really see him making a difference for the United States. And I cant see anything good coming from McCain.

[DJPazze]

Really wanted the last word on this topic, but since Jetteh wants it to stop, I'll respect that.

I'm pro-Obama. I can really see him making a difference for the United States. And I cant see anything good coming from McCain.

Why do you say so? Just because he is black and looks different than the previous presidents you think he is gonna make a difference? lol

I respect your descision, if you want to vote for Obama, do it.

[Jetteh22]

That's just ignorant DJPazze

[DJPazze]

That's just ignorant DJPazze

What's ignorant? Me telling the truth or Me telling lies?

[MrTouz]

a big LOL for DJPazze.

No i hope no one goes to far with 'making a difference / Hope' never know what comes up, i believe that Oboma can make a difference, he looks like a guy that can, but he unfortunately does not look like a president, i mean a president should be strong, heavy, and Obama is not, i mean, he does ot look like he can have a country of over 300000 million people under his arm.

Plus i hate her kid already (the mess she made on that stage ) Hhahahaha no joking... was not funny.

Anyways, when is the vote ? when is the end?

[aussiemcgr]

No i hope no one goes to far with 'making a difference / Hope' never know what comes up, i believe that Oboma can make a difference, he looks like a guy that can, but he unfortunately does not look like a president, i mean a president should be strong, heavy, and Obama is not, i mean, he does ot look like he can have a country of over 300000 million people under his arm.

Now we really have to look at our perceptive of a president. My opinion of a president is someone who looks intellectual and looks like he has a desire for change. EVERY single president has been a rich, white male. He may not look like what you would consider a president, but we havent ever seen what a president would look like if he wasnt a rich, white male. And as it is, even if a president had a presidential look (which McCain doesnt have either), looks can be deceiving.

[Elite]

"IF the president/government allows gay marraige, Gay people will demand other rights as well"

HOLY SHIT! Somebody wanting RIGHTS!? WTF!? Next thing you know them damn faggot-asses will get the right to vote! HOW DARE THEM!?

so where does it say anywhere that adopting childeren is a right? or for that matter marriage, in my personal opinion that should be considered a privelege, anyone else agree?

_Edit: posted other stuff but i see we changed the subject.


But both candidates are horrible and they both dont care what you want. but ill vote for McCain because he knows what he is talking about while Barrack will have to force me out Iraq by himself if he wants to back out troops. because once we leave, they will follow, and they WILL invade they WILL. and not only will i laugh at the people being killed from these people but i will also feel the need to fight for them AGAIN. but why should i fight for them for they took me out of iraq, and caused the problem that will come,

but forget the war tell me what barrack promises you incompetent people.

[DJPazze]

so where does it say anywhere that adopting childeren is a right? or for that matter marriage, in my personal opinion that should be considered a privelege, anyone else agree?

Privilege or right, Whatever you wanna call it. Gay people would affect a child's mental health.

[MrTouz]

agreed

[DJPazze]

How's it going Mr. T ?

Touz