Mccain Or Obama?

[aussiemcgr]

Privilege or right, Whatever you wanna call it. Gay people would affect a child's mental health.

Eh, I dont want to get into this again. Just because someone is gay means they will be bad parents? Straight parents are usually bad parents. For instance, your parents were probably bad parents because they obviously never taught you anything about equality and, by the sounds of your posts, they also never taught tolerance and how to be respectful. What evidence shows that gay people would effect a child's mental health? If anything, a child would come out of that as a BETTER person because they would have a good understanding of how it feels to be ridiculed.
You say that gay people would effect a child's mental health because you obviously have a problem with gay people and cant imagine yourself being the child of gay people. The child that gets risen by gay parents would obviously have a stronger mental health because of the stuff they would endure while their mental outlook is developing.
This is all using the condition that the parents (regardless of sex) are good and responsible parents. Not saying that every gay person would make a good parent, but I am saying that not every gay person would make a bad parent.

For once, give me an educated answer to the following questions:

1) What defines whether a parent is a good parent or a bad parent, is it their sexual preferences?

2) What makes you think that a gay person would be a bad parent? Could it be that you are just simply a bigot?

3) Would a child develop into a better overall person because they now understand the situations of other people?

4) Who has the biggest negative impact on a child's health, the quality of their parents or the sexual preferences of the parent?

5) Which would make a better parent? A neglectful and irresponsible straight parent or a responsible gay parent who is extremely involved in their child's life and development.

Actually think these answers out before you choose. Maybe you will learn how prejudice you are.

[Elite]

1) What defines whether a parent is a good parent or a bad parent, is it their sexual preferences?

it's their actions toward the child, how they raise it, pay attention to the child, give the child a good education, and show the child respect for respect in return, show personal interest with the child to make a good friendship and make sure the child will never be a bad child.

2) What makes you think that a gay person would be a bad parent? Could it be that you are just simply a bigot?

Because what i see now is that "gay" people don't want a child because they want to love it, and do everything else i wrote above, its because they think it is THEIR "right"

3) Would a child develop into a better overall person because they now understand the situations of other people?

Rephrase.

4) Who has the biggest negative impact on a child's health, the quality of their parents or the sexual preferences of the parent?

Neither, its what the parents "drill" into the child's head, how to behave, who to listen to, what to do, stuff that becomes instinct to the child. The biggest negative impact on a child that has homosexual parents is the people they go to school with, now i know what your saying kids are just kids, but your child doesn't know that he or she will be hurt mentally by the kids at school, not only that but the child might get hurt physically by bullies just because their parents are gay. Like i said before think of the child first before your "RIGHTS"

5) Which would make a better parent? A neglectful and irresponsible straight parent or a responsible gay parent who is extremely involved in their child's life and development.

Well it seems the way you worded that is just to get the answer you wanted, what if you asked it like this:
WHICH WOULD MAKE A BETTER PARENT? AN EXTREMELY INVOLVED STRAIGHT PARENT IN THEIR CHILD'S LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT, OR A NEGLECTFUL AND IRRESPONSIBLE GAY PERSON?

My point is that you will get neglectful and irresponsible gay parents, no question about it. it is just majority of the people that come from straight families aren't neglected they are fine people, even if they are neglected they turn out to be the smartest people of all. you cannot justify the whole gay community because you think that because they want children means that they will be good parents.

[aussiemcgr]

it's their actions toward the child, how they raise it, pay attention to the child, give the child a good education, and show the child respect for respect in return, show personal interest with the child to make a good friendship and make sure the child will never be a bad child.

And cant you admit that a gay parent has the ability to do all of that for their child?

Because what i see now is that "gay" people don't want a child because they want to love it, and do everything else i wrote above, its because they think it is THEIR "right"

That isnt always true. For some it is, but for other it isnt. I do think that when a person adopts a child then they should undergo an intense test to prove they are capable of being responsible. This goes for straight and gay parents. Their are some gay people who realize that they can never have a child of their own but they still want one, so they choose to adopt. This isnt a protest or anything, it is because they generally want a child. Like I said, this isnt the case for all gay people. We have to look at the rights of those who actually want a child, and not the ones who want a child so someone will look at their rights.

Rephrase.

It was hard to phrase into a question, so let me try again. Will a child grow up having a better understanding of different opinions and be more tolerant of them if they understand what it would be like to not be normal? I think a child would come away richer and better for experiencing a tough childhood. And keep in mind that if the parents are good parents, then they will help their child get through any rough patches while growing up.

Neither, its what the parents "drill" into the child's head, how to behave, who to listen to, what to do, stuff that becomes instinct to the child. The biggest negative impact on a child that has homosexual parents is the people they go to school with, now i know what your saying kids are just kids, but your child doesn't know that he or she will be hurt mentally by the kids at school, not only that but the child might get hurt physically by bullies just because their parents are gay. Like i said before think of the child first before your "RIGHTS"

O wait a sec. I'm not asking the biggest negative impact on a child with homosexual parents, I'm asking for the biggest negative impact on a child in general.

Well it seems the way you worded that is just to get the answer you wanted, what if you asked it like this:
WHICH WOULD MAKE A BETTER PARENT? AN EXTREMELY INVOLVED STRAIGHT PARENT IN THEIR CHILD'S LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT, OR A NEGLECTFUL AND IRRESPONSIBLE GAY PERSON?

My point is that you will get neglectful and irresponsible gay parents, no question about it. it is just majority of the people that come from straight families aren't neglected they are fine people, even if they are neglected they turn out to be the smartest people of all. you cannot justify the whole gay community because you think that because they want children means that they will be good parents.

Ok, see with this you are assuming that a gay person would be a neglectful and irresponsible parent and that all straight parents will be extremely involved in their children. You are the one looking for a specific answer. Consider all the bad straight parents. Let me highly a few facts from a scientific study about STRAIGHT parents.

1. Eighty percent of parents believe that neither alcohol nor marijuana is usually available at teen gatherings, but 50 percent of their kids say they attend parties where alcohol, drugs or both are available.

2. Only 12 percent of parents see illegal substances as their teen's greatest concern. But twice as many teens ( 27 percent ) say drugs are a major worry.

3. 80 Percent of parents believe alcohol and marijuana are not usually found at teen parties

4. 50 Percent of kids say they attend parties where alcohol and drugs or both are available

5. 98 Percent of parents say they are normally present during parties they allow their teens to have at home

6. 33 Percent of kids say parents are rarely or never present at parties they attend

This shows that straight parents can be irresponsible, possibly more so than gay parents. There is no proof that a gay parent would be a bad parent. You just think they would be because you dont understand the gay community.

This topic isnt as much about all gay people having the right to have kids, but rather those responsible gay parents that want a child, and should have to right to have one.

[MrTouz]

I don't think GAY parents are bad, parents are just parents, some are good and some are bad. This has noting to do with sex.

BUT : as in any families every child needs both sides... Father / Mother, each one of the parents provide something different, i know my father raised me like a man, i stopped kissing him when i was 5 (he said your a man now ! no kissing !) he always made me strong and thought me guys stuff, we talk about sex (a lot) and cars... and fun we had last night... and what ever dudes talk about, on the other hand my mom was always nice to me... when ever i did something wrong, she never screamed never said its bad or wrong... my father did that

What i am trying to say is both parents bring something and you CAN NOT deny the fact that a child will need both sides. And mostly a mother while the child is younger... its obvious the child will want what he came from... for GAY parents .. how they gonna provide that ? for LESBIANS it can be easier...But both ways... you always need something that 2 parents from the same sex can't provide.

Its either one... or the other.

Now an other fact that you can't deny is other KIDS. What i think everyone is saying about homosexual parents will affect a child's health is by being homosexuals them selves not by what they actually provide.

Now you can't deny that other kids will :

laugh at kid (mostly because of he difference)
not talk to the kid (because kids will ask their parents.. most parents will not want their kids to talk to a hs's child)

so :

the kid will be affected psychologically

Again, its not the parents (even tho they will not provide all, some families do not have a father / mather... it happens) but mostlikely the outside world.

What i think people should do at first.. is teach others that being gay is not bad... and than once they get that part... hs's will be able to have kids without affecting their health.

Now you can't deny, that what's up there is false... its the way it is, people are dumb... people don't want to understand... but oh well...

[DJPazze]

hmmm!

I never said GAY people are bad or that they would be bad parents!

GAY people would/will affect a child's mental health



Think about it, do you think it'll be normal for a child to say "Hey, I have two dads" or "Hey, I have two momms" ? It might be normal to him but not to the majority of US who have a dad and a mom.

People are bad and they will much likely reject him/her and make his/her life misserable. Is that the future Gay people really want to offer a child?

im in a hurry, g2g.

[eNVoXia]

SEAN223 FOR PRESIDENT!
You've got my vote.

I second that. Sean made some really good points. I think that people assume because his name is Barack Hussein Obama that he must be Muslim. But common sense (which I have noticed many are lacking, not to point any fingers) would remind us that we don't chose our own birth names and our names don't make us who we are. In this case, stereotypes do nothing but blind people to the possible realities.

Personally I would vote Obama, if I were to actually vote. I'm not into politics, I don't keep up enough and to blindly vote would not be fair to the candidates or this country. Why would I vote Obama considering that I don't keep up on politics you may ask.. because he is black. Shallow it may seem, and in all honesty it is. But since I know nothing of the intelligence involved, I would have to vote soley on what I see. Once again, this is why I am not voting.

[aussiemcgr]

hmmm!

I never said GAY people are bad or that they would be bad parents!

GAY people would/will affect a child's mental health



Think about it, do you think it'll be normal for a child to say "Hey, I have two dads" or "Hey, I have two momms" ? It might be normal to him but not to the majority of US who have a dad and a mom.

People are bad and they will much likely reject him/her and make his/her life misserable. Is that the future Gay people really want to offer a child?

im in a hurry, g2g.

You have no proof that gay people will affect a child's mental health. With the help of his/her parents (whether gay or not), they will be able to adjust to it. I went through some ridicule and shit growing up (alot of people make some stupid jokes on Australians...) and I have learned that everyone that does that shit are just a bunch of idiots. I've adjusted and ignored ever shitty ass comment that someone has said to me, and I think I've come out of it all a stronger person because I went through all of it. Obviously I cant compare the two situations (kids are assholes and I will say that they will say some shit) but if the child, with the help of their parents, will be able to get over it and find some tolerant people to be friends with. Every child is on either the side that gets ridiculed or the side that does the ridiculing. The side that gets ridiculed will be the people who come away from it richer because of it. And the side that does the ridiculing is the side that, eventually, will realize how pathetic they really are. There is no denying that children are assholes, but if the parents are responsible and deeply involved in their child's life, then the child will come out happy in the end.

[Jetteh22]

Aussiemcgr - Thank you for the support. At least there are a couple of people here on zymic who are not complete and utter idiots.

There is NO proof whatsoever that a child with gay parents mental health will be affected at all. Sure, the child will have a hard time but I can honestly say that the child with gay parents would not get as much shit as a gay child would.

If gay people can take all the shit (myself) and turn out just fine mentally (I don't have tendencies to kill people, I still talk to my parents regularly, I love my family and they love me) why do you just assume that a child with gay parents will turn out crazy or have mental problems?

It's just an ignorant thing to say.

I've already said that we were off topic and should stop talking about it but obviously some people can't stop talking about it. My inbox is flooded with replies to this topic. I'm subscribed to it so I can see peoples opinions on the matter of the presidents, NOT their gay-hating rants.

DJPazze you only have about 100 posts.. I'd say at least 1/8th of them are on this forum debating with me and others about whether gay people should have "rights" (because god knows you don't want us 'demanding' them).

Try doing something more productive with your time and helping others.

[MrTouz]

I second that. Sean made some really good points. I think that people assume because his name is Barack Hussein Obama that he must be Muslim. But common sense (which I have noticed many are lacking, not to point any fingers) would remind us that we don't chose our own birth names and our names don't make us who we are. In this case, stereotypes do nothing but blind people to the possible realities.

I think i am the only one that made the difference with his name, so for not pointing your fingers FUCK YOU. Sorry do use bad words but you are pushing me to.
Now because you are that smart... you probably read the rest of my post, saying that since his father is Muslim is MUST be one... no you don't chose to be one or not, but technically you ARE. My father and mother are Christians... I AM, tho i do not pray, and do not follow religion anymore... i still am.
So before 'not pointing any fingers' read. and if you want to point fingers... than find your self a mirror.

Aussiemcgr - Thank you for the support. At least there are a couple of people here on zymic who are not complete and utter idiots.

Sorry to tell you that jetteh but what you said is totally dumb... if because i have a different point of view than you than i am an idiot.. than 80 percent of the worlds population is ? don't you think you are the actual idiot here by just saying that ?

There is NO proof whatsoever that a child with gay parents mental health will be affected at all. Sure, the child will have a hard time but I can honestly say that the child with gay parents would not get as much shit as a gay child would.

If gay people can take all the shit (myself) and turn out just fine mentally (I don't have tendencies to kill people, I still talk to my parents regularly, I love my family and they love me) why do you just assume that a child with gay parents will turn out crazy or have mental problems?

Oh come one ! give us a break already with your bullshit. No seriously, a kid young as he is while being 5 to 10 does NOT understand that kind of stuff. You are not going to tell me that he will be able to make the difference, you can.. because you are probably 20, because you are not a moron, but most of the 5 to 10 year olds would definitely laugh at you if you told you had 2 dads.

No there is no way to tell... but you know how being young was... if you were just a BIT different than you heard shit all day and insults and fights... don't try to go over there - i use to be young & different and I suffered like hell and NO one can tell me that 8 year olds understand a crap about no joking stuff... they are morons and parents do NOT help.

Its the way it is and no one can change anything about it, people will laugh at those poor kids and that's something i will hate to see, and that is mainly why i am against that adoption crap.

[Jetteh22]

Whoah.. Wait wait wait MrTouz...

Obviously you are an idiot. Or just stupid.. Maybe just ill-informed..

First of all you go saying FUCK YOU to someone because they made a valid point? Pretty rude.

Second, you say that because his father is a muslim he MUST be a muslim.. Like it's a 100% FACT that no matter what he DEFINATELY Believes everything his father does...

Talk about some MAJOR bullshit.. First of all, I can't disagree his father is because I'm not sure. I've never paid attention to it because religion doesn't mean shit to me.

So what your saying is that because my ENTIRE family is southern baptist I am also a southern baptist (christian)? Umm. No.

I don't believe in god. I don't believe in heaven. I don't believen in hell. I don't believe there is a super being that is watching over us.. It's retarded.

So.. How, if I went to church 3 times a week for the first 14 years of my life... Tell me. How come I am not a christian like my whole family is?

[MrTouz]

ITS not a valid point, where saying 'he said hussein so he said he is muslim...' never said that, i said his father is Muslim so he is, Hussein is a common name used with Muslims.

I have friends that are not Muslims called Mohamed. (well one). so the FUCK YOU... stays here

i DID say he is Muslim because his father was, well when you are born, you do not decide... its the way it is.. JUST like you Jetteh, Christian family than your are Christian, JUST LIKE ME. My parents are, i use to go to Church while younger... but than stopped... because now i find Religions useless (you know my point of view about this)

Its like 'conversions when you are Christian become Muslim... you choose to be, well he is Muslim for sure from is father, but he NEVER EVER EVER EVER stated being Christian... i never saw him pray Christian GOD !
So he is NOT denying it !

You do not deny ? you technically do not say no.... or do not say you are not.

You Jetteh said you were not, because now you find it useless... i say i am, but i still find it useless... but no matter what we do, we are. Until we convert and by that 'religiously' deny the Christian religion. Its something that Obama did not do.

For me he is Muslim.

BETTER EXAMPLE :

Michael Jackson, is he black or white ? Technically he is black, he became white (for obvious reasons) but imagine a black not having MJ's illness, would you believe a black saying he is a white dude, but still being black ? its impossible... he is born black... he is obviously black... the only way to be white... is either being sick like MJ, or by changing your skin color (is it possible ?) i dunno. Is it the point ? no.

You can't deny something you are not going / fighting / proving / doing - against.

He is what he is, and no i am not judging - again.

[aussiemcgr]

Its like 'conversions when you are Christian become Muslim... you choose to be, well he is Muslim for sure from is father, but he NEVER EVER EVER EVER stated being Christian... i never saw him pray Christian GOD !
So he is NOT denying it !

I can only spend so much of my life aruging with an idiot like you, so I'll just make you feel stupid on one of your topics.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle3194740.ece

This is obama talking in that article I just gave you:

"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the pledge of allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding."

Sounds like he's denying it to me, even "making clear what the facts are". Feeling stupid yet?

[MrTouz]

Not feeling stupid at all, you feel stupid only by ignorance, i will not deny what you posted above.

But this is from what i was going one :

Mr Obama, who was raised as a Christian by his white mother despite his Kenyan father being Muslim, has been dogged by smears and innuendo for months that he is in fact an Islamist trying to enter the Oval office by stealth.

You can see my source of info over there : Kenyan Father being Muslim.

Now again, i am not feeling stupid at all... only a bit smarter, thanks to you for that fact.

[aussiemcgr]

You can see my source of info over there : Kenyan Father being Muslim.

When giving a source, give an actual website, not a headline or whatever that is. And by the way, in that quote you gave me, it says specifically "who was raised as a Christian by his white mother despite his Kenyan father being Muslim" that he is obviously CHRISTIAN. He was raised as a Christian, and he has decided to stay on that path. The Islam faith doesnt seem to have any impact on him. Don't see how this argument is helping you.

[DJPazze]

I've already said that we were off topic and should stop talking about it but obviously some people can't stop talking about it. My inbox is flooded with replies to this topic. I'm subscribed to it so I can see peoples opinions on the matter of the presidents, NOT their gay-hating rants.

DJPazze you only have about 100 posts.. I'd say at least 1/8th of them are on this forum debating with me and others about whether gay people should have "rights" (because god knows you don't want us 'demanding' them).

1/8 LMFAO! Since you have nothing better to do but to argue, I invite you to count the number of posts I've posted here.

Don't fucking tell me you don't know how to count.

Try doing something more productive with your time and helping others.

Are you talking to yourself? You better be... so, you gonna tell me that you are helping others at this moment? I didn't know you were that helpful here.

[Jetteh22]

I used to help people whenever I got a chance but then I noticed that half of the people here on zymic are complete assholes so I only help somebody if they really need it (and if I actually know the answer)

I don't give website design reviews because I know i'm not good at that, but content reviews I try to every so often.

If you worked a job where you had to work 16 hour shifts then you wouldn't talk much either.

The only reason I have been coming on lately is because your posts have been flooding my email and pissing me off.

[MrTouz]

When giving a source, give an actual website, not a headline or whatever that is. And by the way, in that quote you gave me, it says specifically "who was raised as a Christian by his white mother despite his Kenyan father being Muslim" that he is obviously CHRISTIAN. He was raised as a Christian, and he has decided to stay on that path. The Islam faith doesnt seem to have any impact on him. Don't see how this argument is helping you.

You did not get what i was saying.
I was meaning that when i got the info about his father i did not get the 'no i am not muslim i am christian', i guess its because before this argument with clinton he never said it.
Sorry if the info did not came through the whole world !

I used to help people whenever I got a chance but then I noticed that half of the people here on zymic are complete assholes so I only help somebody if they really need it (and if I actually know the answer)
I don't give website design reviews because I know i'm not good at that, but content reviews I try to every so often.
If you worked a job where you had to work 16 hour shifts then you wouldn't talk much either.
The only reason I have been coming on lately is because your posts have been flooding my email and pissing me off.

ill help people even if they are complete assholes, i mean, a firefighter is not going to save that dude because he is cool or not... he is just going to save him. I do the same... but i kind of get what you mean by that.

And lol about the email thing.... you should remove it.

[Jetteh22]

Nah, i'm interested in what people have to say about the obama / mccain thing.
DJPazze just upset me so I got into it.

But helping people is a diff story altogether...

I dont care how much I hate someone I wouldn't let them die if I had a choice... but I'm not gonna go give money to someone if I hate them.

[wozzym]

lmao this doesnt need to get into a heated discussion guys. just respect eachothers opinions and ignore them (if needed). If you absolutely must say something, take it somewhere else.

[Elite]

Its a battle the isn't going to be won, neither I, Mr TOuz, aussie, or jetteh will win this, the fact of the matter is that people need to debate this matter in realtime or at least a chatroom, because each person has different views, their not wrong but also their not right.

and aussie sorry to hear that you have had problems because your an Australian, but thats the world, most importantly thats america, kids are complete assholes when their younger, I myself have been made fun of, but people can change they get mature, and hopefully well stop being assholes. you can't change that.

and sorry to get back on this topic but jetteh, KIDs have had mental issues where they want to commit suicide because of their life, because they have no friends, because people pick on them, bully them, tease them, get in fights with them, and with a gay parent children at that age can't accept it so everything that i said above gets worse, and that will leave a child affected.

now back to the mccain/obama subject obama is muslim get over it, mccain is the better candidate even tho for that last time...they both suck. mccain tho offers change and can dish it out, while obama wants to change by raising takes on me, but lowering them on the person who doesn't want to work, who doesn't want to help himself, so im paying for the asshole that doesn't want to work....Thats fair, not only that he votes for the same shit mccain votes for. how is that change?

im sorry but i don't want a president like that, mccain is the better choice.