Religion, o god?

[wesley]

For all you non-Christians.

Allright For those of you who believe on the big bang.

Take a puzzle box shake it and if all the parts get put together by themself then you proved the Big band theory to be true.

Now for those of you how are trying to point out contradictions.

The Bible was made for real Christians and for us to understand the Bible God gave us the Holy spirit and through the holy spirit we get understanding of the Bible. All of the most famous atheists went through the Bible trying to show us Christians contradictions, but if you look hard you will find that they are not contradictions at all. But as I said the Bible was made for Christians and not UN believers. Also many archaeologists tried to disprove the Bible in trying to find out if the things that the Bible said happened really happened. But every time they do it they just prove the Bible true. One Story in the Bible is about sadden and Gomorrah where God destroyed the city with fire because of the wickedness. And archaeologists have recently found a city completely destroyed by fire and some records were left showing how evil that city was. Now I am not a Christian theologian but in the next few weeks I will disprove these Bible contradictions on here.
Two more things some one on here is wondering who made God, the answer is nobody. God has been for eternity and will be for eternity and I know we can't understand it but we only can use less than half of our brain so how could we understand it?

And secondly If I was an atheist and i was not sure whether there is a hell or heaven I would get saved because i would not take a chance of burning in hell for ever. Take the biggest fire you have seen multiply it by 10,000 times and that is what hell is like.


I will also get my sunday school teacher on here to help me.

[Alex]

Allright For those of you who believe on the big bang.

Take a puzzle box shake it and if all the parts get put together by themself then you proved the Big band theory to be true.

I wonder, would you mind telling me where you got your Physics degree? There is ample evidence to support the idea of a hot big bang, largely in the form of the background radiation recorded in the COBE experiment. The results are completely consistent with the theory, with error bars too small to see. You could argue that an omnipotent entity created the universe (and thus was responsible for the big bang) or that it was made such that the world be one just like it HAD been made that way, but you're not on strong ground arguing that the theory of the big bang is flawed, because it has strong support among the experts in the field.

[rashad]

I've once seen a documentary (by BBC) about the creation of the universe and it said that most of the scientists agree that the chance of it being something random is 0. (40 thousand zeros ) 1 % which is like (as they said ) putting TNT under bricks and wires and paint etc. then explode the TNT expecting to build a house.


((excuse me of my poor English))

[Alex]

I haven't seen this documentary, so I don't know what you mean by that at all. What is "something random"? Because without knowing what it's significance is the probability of this "something random" is pretty inconsequential.

What I do have a reference for is that "few researchers now doubt the Big Bang occurred" (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Feat...es_and_problems)

[Dragolux]

OK, I know this topic is kind of old, but I'm posting in it anyway because it is the most important topic ever. (literally)

I am a Christian, having been raised by my parents to be one. This may sound like I just believe it because my parents do or something, but that is not at all how I see it. I got saved when I was around 5 years old, and just kind of "believed" everything that my parents told me. I didn't really think anything of Heaven or Hell, besides the fact that Heaven was a happy place, and Hell was (as my parents would say it) "not nice". It wasn't really until I was around 13 years old that I really started questioning my faith. I heard some people talking about different things like the "Big Bang", and thought I'd look into it. I found out that some people believe that the universe was created entirely by chance, and I almost laughed out loud at the thought. I don't pretend to have a PHD in physics or anything like that, but then again I don't think you need one. (I know that might cause a lot of controversy, but that can't be helped.) I think that people believe in the Big Bang because they don't want to believe in an omnipotent God who created the universe. I also looked into some different stuff (controversies, etc.), and found that none of them were convincing.

In conclusion, then, I would have to agree with everything that wesley said about this.

I hope this causes some good discussion, and I hope that everyone here comes to the truth.

Dragolux

[creathoz]

sometimes too much confusions lead us to our destructions..

Believe me.

[Dragolux]

Believe me.

Hmm...Isn't that what this topic is about - believing?

If you believe in Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then all the confusion just fades away.

Dragolux

[Hamilton515]

Allright For those of you who believe on the big bang.

Take a puzzle box shake it and if all the parts get put together by themself then you proved the Big band theory to be true.

You shake that box for trillions of millions of years and if it doesn't put itself together I will believe you.

[creathoz]

Hmm...Isn't that what this topic is about - believing?

If you believe in Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then all the confusion just fades away.

Dragolux

[Jero2006]

I am actually Buhddist and people say i aint i bleieve all of u ahve rights to wat u believe muslim chrisitan watever

[idontknow]

Great, another atheist war. How can "god" exist as an omnipotent being in our world? Have you ever seen "god" with your own eyes? Have you ever smelt "god" with your nose? Have you ever felt "god" with your own hands? If not, then by the five protocols of science, "god" does not exist.

[machine]

Hello people !

I have a quick question to posters Dragolux and Wesley: the issue of The Big Bang is a little removed from our [mankind's] existence. I mean, it happened at the beginning of the Universe and the phrase "a long time ago" seems rather weak to describe the time elapsed since then.

Let's talk about things that we can immediately relate to. Like the presence of mankind on this fragile planet.

My question is this: what do Wesley and Dragolux think really happened -- the incidents at the Garden of Eden [with Eve being born out of Adam's rib and Adam naming all the animals and so on] or the Darwinian theory of evolution [of species]...

EDIT 1: This question is applicable to almost all the other Origin Myths found in all religions and folklore [and not just Christianity -- Hindusim, for instance, is full of these]. So what seems true: the religious account[s] or the Theory of Evolution?

EDIT 2: Although neither Wesley or Dragolux mentioned this, but I find the Christian account of Universe's Origin rather endearing since the phrase "Let there be light!" [along with the rather dramatic circumstances in which this phrase was supposedly uttered] always makes me think of an explosion in which heat energy is converted into light. And an explosion, when mentioned in connection with the Universe's origin, makes me think of a bang. A big one.

So Wesley and Dragolux could say that the earliest Christians had the knowledge of the Universe being created out of an explosion.

This is like the story about the Dogon tribe and their knowledge of the existence of Sirius B [the star] allegedly from a time before this star was scientifically discovered.

[Jero2006]

Great, another atheist war. How can "god" exist as an omnipotent being in our world? Have you ever seen "god" with your own eyes? Have you ever smelt "god" with your nose? Have you ever felt "god" with your own hands? If not, then by the five protocols of science, "god" does not exist.

so what dude you dont believe in the big bang? random universe man
i believe we came here some way and i think that theres a reason why
we were put on this planet we live we die we learn and the wheels on the
bus go round and round sorry couldnt help myself
just watched the bucket list yesterday

[Paranoid]

I have no religion. Nothing makes sense to me (ie the Christian god says 'MAGIC IS BAD' if he doesn't have magic, what does he have?)

I haven't recalled reading this in the bible..."And the Lord said, MAGIC IS BAD"
God, does not have magic. God has something else, called the priesthood. According to Christian believe, the preisthood is the power of God, not magic, but power. Through the priesthood, God and Jesus were able to create our world we live in, the stars, the universe, everything. The power of the priesthood, is a power that we can tap into ourselves...according to Mormon religion, you receive this power/blessing when you are the age of 12. There are two levels of the priesthood. The Aaronic, and the Machealztic. The Aaronic priesthood is the priesthood of Aaron, the man who baptized Jesus. This is the lesser priesthood. You recieve the other priesthood when you become and 'elder' of the church, age 18. You are prompted to go on a mission, at this age. Missionaries go around the world serving their fellow mankind, and spreading the word and power of God...the Priesthood.

I don't consider myself religious, but I also don't consider myself a person of scientific belief. I know about this because my best friend is a devout Christian (Mormon). I can tell you that God does not use magic, he has power. A different concept. To have power over something, means to control it. He has power over the seas, nature, weather, the earth, and the universe. However, God does not have power over us. We contain the priesthood, the same power he has. He loves us, and cares for us. He wants us to learn for ourselves, so he can not push us to be obedient if we don't want to, it is our own salvation at stake.

I learned that from my friend, and I just wanted to rebuttal your accusation that God says 'MAGIC IS BAD'.

[grumpy]

i suppose religions usually have some moral laws as well as beliefs. For the belief part, what you believe in doesn't hurt anyone else. but for the rules... well it would work if people did follow the rules.

[Paranoid]

You obviously haven't read all of it then.

I am sorry Tom, but was the purpose of this discussion to critique others? or discuss about religion, my bad for misreading the title (sarcasm)
I replied to Beam's post directly because he asked a question.

I have no religion. Nothing makes sense to me (ie the Christian god says 'MAGIC IS BAD' if he doesn't have magic, what does he have?)

The part that is bolded is the question he asked.

[ilyesoft]

I really think you should have to choose a religion, a religion that you find the best, the most logically and the most interesting: You have to read many books about many religions and read also many Holy books.
Think about the day,after you dead, when God will ask you why you did not believe on him ? What do you answer here ? Will you said I was thinking that the life is only eating, sleeping, and of course making money ? That you don't have the time to look for the true religion?
Ok, first of all make sure that there is only one God, and only one true religion, when God send prophets one after another, logically the last will be who we must believe, why ?
This is the answer in example, when the government publish a law, we respect it, then when she publish a new other law, we respect the last, this is the rule: the last law is the true one, so the last religion is the true one, and here I'm speeching about the sky's religions (Christian, Jewess and Islam )...(I'm Muslim)
So you have to look by yourselves after the true religion and me I'm really sure that it's the Islam, but of course this is my opinion and I don't oblige any one to be like me.
Thank you.

[Voli_21]

I don't neccessarily belive in the bible, although I do believe in a supreme being and a maker (God). However, I don't believe he has a list of "sins" that if you don't obey them, you are sent to a firery pit for all eternity.. and they claim that THAT god loves you. (That was a valid point that I heard a comedian say) Something just doesn't match up. I believe if you live through life with high morals and have a clear concious then in the after life, you will live happily.

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[RunningBare]

If I were to believe in a God, it would have to be totally on faith, I certainly could not take the word of the bible, it either reads like a childrens story book or a horror story but is rarely consistant.

Up to the age of 14 I went to chapel every sunday, after that...well I did not.

[Paranoid]

If I were to believe in a God, it would have to be totally on faith, I certainly could not take the word of the bible, it either reads like a childrens story book or a horror story but is rarely consistant.

Up to the age of 14 I went to chapel every sunday, after that...well I did not.

I think I have the same opinion as you in this matter - believe based on faith, not a collection of age old stories passed down from generation to generation. Even tho the bible stories emphasize on the importance of faith.