Religion, o god?

[SwintellSoft]

personally I think the poeple who say "no religion" are not beliving it becuase they dont understand it or they dont like having a being over powering them and the religious ppl are taht way because its how man is.....in order to expand we wonder...how can we help but wonder how is?

[bilal]

I am a Muslim and strongly believe in Religion and the oneness of Almighty God.

[King Tut]

I'm very proud to be a Muslim

[Jacob]

I do not have a religion because I know personally it is a joke. Sorry if I offend anyone but I am a firm believer in that we write our own history and make history everyday by what we do and how it is done. No one has a set destiny, we choose it in the ways that we live our lives.

Jacob.

[Dave]

Great, another atheist war. How can "god" exist as an omnipotent being in our world? Have you ever seen "god" with your own eyes? Have you ever smelt "god" with your nose? Have you ever felt "god" with your own hands? If not, then by the five protocols of science, "god" does not exist.

That is the worst argument going!
Firstly there are not 5 senses, there are about 11. For example your perception of balance, movement, temperature and pain are some.
But that is besides the point. Not everything you believe in is something physical that you can touch. Do you believe in love? Have you ever seen love? Have you smelt it? Have you touched it? etc.
I think not. You can only see what it does and the effects it has on people. Im my personal opinion the same is with God. You cannot see him or feel him, granted, but I personally see the effects of an omnipresent God every day. You may not see this or you may not put it down to God. That is about your personal faith journey but don't try to tell me that God does not exist according to science because we can't see him.

I follow a Christian faith but I wouldn't say I was religious. The church/Christian religion is corrupt and has based itself on traditions formed over the last 400 years or so. For me being a Christian is having a personal relationship with God. I don't try to convince anybody that they should believe in God or not because it is hard for people to believe something they don't understand, especially when they don't even want to try and understand. In my opinion this is the problem with the modern Church. It does not connect or engage with people where they are at.

[Jacob]

This is getting pretty intense.

Jacob.

[JKnife]

Hey there, I have been reading this thread and thought to answer a few questions.

The reason we are so messed up isn't because of God, it's because of us. We chose to go the opposite way, we made the error and now we are living with the consequences. You can't blame it on God, he had to give us a choice to do right or wrong so we wouldn't just be robots, programmed to be good. Where's the fun in that?

Also on the fact that Christian institutions have been pretty nasty over the last few centuries. I would like to point out that the crusades were not done by "christians", rather by random people who were told by the pope that all their debts to Jews would be written off if they went to war. That is an institution, not a Christian organization. Jesus died because he loves you and would never want to be a part of what they did. All these corrupt happenings are again, because of humans and not God.

The simple fact is, we messed up, Jesus died to solve our sin and all we have to do is believe. What harm would their being in believing if you think yourself an atheist anyway? If you believe we disappear after we die, then what have you to lose???

[Alex]

What harm would their being in believing if you think yourself an atheist anyway? If you believe we disappear after we die, then what have you to lose???

Do you read what you write before you hit post? If you're an atheist, you believe there is no God, how can you also believe in a God? The two view points are mutually exclusive. Also, why would you choose a Christian God over the others even if doing so made the remotest bit of sense? The logical conclusion of that argument is that you should believe every possible religion, and this is not a feasible situation since most religions will contradict the others.

Yawn.

[JKnife]

The logical conclusion of that argument is that you should believe every possible religion, and this is not a feasible situation since most religions will contradict the others.

Yawn.

Maybe you should take into account the fact that I was simply suggesting one God. The logical conclusion would not be to choose all religions as I was suggesting there would be no harm in choosing this one, rather than saying "you better cover all your bases and follow them all". Following all gods would not be possible and I acknowledge that.

Do you read what you write before you hit post?

Just FYI, I do. You don't need to take an offensive tone, this is a discussion. Anger seems to be seeping through your "logical statements". This proves you are pretty eager to disprove my cause. What about Christianity offends you so much?

[Alex]

But if you're suggesting one there is no reason why it should be that one? Suggesting that you might as well be Christian is no different than saying you might as well be Muslim or whatever. One leads to the other, and the only way to avoid that is to already believe that one of the choices is somehow more correct than the others (in which case you are not atheist but agnostic).

And perhaps I did snap, but I find these oft-repeated statements which don't really make any sense tiresome. You can ascribe that to my not liking Christianity, but I think you have blinkers on if you think that's the only thing I'll argue against. I did not pick out your post because it was pro-christian, I picked it because I think (and this is my opinion) that that part of your post was nonsense.

[Valency]

I'm an Atheist.

[iamandy]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...INZDWjALkxNHCDA

watch this.

it talks about christianity and other religions

[Paradoks]

Fixed the topic title.

Personally, I'm agnostic, I have yet to find a religion I think makes any sense to me, and personally I don't think it would really be possible for mankind to posit a divine being or beings with any accuracy at all - so the entire exercise is outdated and pointless to my mind. That's not to say I believe there can't be any higher being, the possibility exists - though I think not in the ways we've guessed.

Basically, I'm sitting on the fence, and don't think there's really anything which would convince me one way or the other - because I'm naturally critical of most things.

I Think that is all that needs to be said. although we are all human beings, so i openly accept everyones religion. and i think the people that mock others religions should **** themselves.

[MrTouz]

I was raised in a Christian family, never been pushed to go to church but i used to go while i was little and did not know anything about life at all.

After time and really little research i found out (like many people) that most of the religions have contradictions, not only on their texts but also when it comes to apply it nowadays.

Religions are old, thousands of years for some of them, couple hundreds for others but we the people grew up after their creation but somehow these religions did not. I believe it is impossible to fully follow a religion while living in this current world, the only way i think would be either following it and cut yourself from the world, or lie to your self and follow the religion while you do bad things such as not respect some of the religions aspects.
For example the Jews have a day in the year where they are 'pardoned' for all their mistakes, and where in church you can confess and be pardoned as well... i mean, where is the point of following a religion if you can go ahead and do bad stuff but ending pardoned all the time ?

Other contradictions inside the Bible as well as on the Koran, and many other religious books have been found, like when jesus was born, it is said that he was born the 25th and that the sky was full of stars, but there are no stars where he was born in December nowadays... or when it is said to follow the prophet Mohamed, but hello, Mohamed is only a messager, he only brings info from 'god' why not follow the King which is the representation of God on earth ? stupid it might sound, but its how it is...

Disappointment is what i have found with religions, as from contradictions but also as where it leads to, look at it now, all what is happening in the world ? Tibet, the genocide that is happening right now, where they are killing innocent people, its again a religious problem, also the killings that happen all over the world, the 2 towers going down, problems in Iraq, problems in Iran, the crazy dude that wants to kill everyone around him, problems in Lebanon with Israel and the Palestinians...

Sadly, most of the crisis and the massacres that happened and that are happening these days came from religion, so this is my question to it creators :

Wasn't religion suppose to comfort people, make them find peace, care, happiness, joy ?

It was, but since its not doing what it is supposed to do, i personally decided not to follow any of the religions.

[yasin2008]

Fixed the topic title.

Personally, I'm agnostic, I have yet to find a religion I think makes any sense to me, and personally I don't think it would really be possible for mankind to posit a divine being or beings with any accuracy at all - so the entire exercise is outdated and pointless to my mind. That's not to say I believe there can't be any higher being, the possibility exists - though I think not in the ways we've guessed.

Basically, I'm sitting on the fence, and don't think there's really anything which would convince me one way or the other - because I'm naturally critical of most things.

hi Alex was just having a quick browse around when i came across your post........I believe that the agnostic position is a good position in many ways even though I am a muslim.....what I appreciate about your belief is that it has the knowledge to admit you don't know......for me all I can say is that i believe the higher reality can never be realised through rational analysis alone.........PEACE

[Paradoks]

Well... nowadays, who really knows what religion iss...

[Valency]

Those who preach it think they know it.

[Paradoks]

their just preaching what they think others should think of it as, so basically there are 1000000000 ways of looking at it

[SwintellSoft]

I do not have a religion because I know personally it is a joke. Sorry if I offend anyone but I am a firm believer in that we write our own history and make history everyday by what we do and how it is done. No one has a set destiny, we choose it in the ways that we live our lives.

Jacob.

=P You may be right but its still human nature to have hope in some thing

[dehdesh]

I just wanted to throw this out here to see how people would reply. The bible was translated and re-translated many times, thus there could be MANY flaws in today's bible. Another couple of interesting reads. onetwo. These compare Nimrod, his wife, and others to other religions. Christianity itself has too many misunderstandings within itself to try to lead an argument against someone else at this point. Most Christians don't even use their own gods name, they call him "a land owner" or "anointed one" Name of god, and we break one of our commandments regularly, Sabbath. Why do we go to church on Sunday? Doesn't Sunday sound like a day you would worship a sun god like Helios or something? Yes, thanks to the greed of Roman Catholics we worship Our god YHWH the same day as the other people worship Helios, and many other sun gods so that they can collect their offerings on the same day! Sun god worship.
To conclude, Christians need to argue amongst themselves before they even try to argue with non-believers (not to sound convicting or anything against non-believers, they have freedom of choice)

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