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DJPazze
QUOTE(Elite @ Sep 1 2008, 12:50 AM) *
i love your education, "We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies", hot water not only quenches your thirst more than cold water does, but helps the body maintain heat. the reason it quenches better than cold water is because it on a hot day its hotter outside your body usually than inside your body over there, the hot water helps maintain stability between outside and inside, (im assuming he was talking about africa)

Arcadia i believe was a race/or group that had "heavenly" nature, didn't fight, and helped everyone, correct me if im wrong, long time since my last history class.

"Let me remind you Congress Wain...men, we never lost a battle in Vietnam, it was American public opinion that forced us to loose that conflict"-- umm really? in vietnam a couple of battles were lost, well not really lost but we retreated from because, we had general's that actually listened to America's citizens, (see what happens?), and some were lost due to incorrect information.

and i didn't anyone hear disagree with me on obama's taxes haha

not only that the reason obama is such a "CELEBRITY" (which i despise) is because many countries want obama so they can walk all over us just like they did when Clinton was in office , yeh obama will bring change.. but not the change you want.


Well said. wink.gif
Andrew
Don't make text that big, it's annoying and makes it look like your yelling DjPazze
DJPazze
QUOTE(Trippin7464 @ Sep 1 2008, 01:58 AM) *
Don't make text that big, it's annoying and makes it look like your yelling DjPazze


laugh.gif

I was yelling in silence...

NOT THE CHANGE YOU WANT!!!!!!!! laugh.gif
Andrew
Thank you for editing it.
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(Elite @ Sep 1 2008, 12:50 AM) *
Arcadia i believe was a race/or group that had "heavenly" nature, didn't fight, and helped everyone, correct me if im wrong, long time since my last history class.


That one was my bad. Wasnt paying attention while I was typing. Its actually al-Qaeda, which I edited up there.
muamba
QUOTE(InfamousMetal @ Aug 15 2008, 09:18 PM) *
obama cant be christian if he is pro choice....


Just browsing through the forums and I had to comment...

The basis of the christian faith is that God gives people the right to choose, good or evil right or wrong, follow the ten commandments or not etc etc. He never forces himself on anyone. Therefore we do not have the right to force anything on anyone else. If they choose abortion then that is their decision and they have to live with that.

I am a christian personally, and if someone professes to be a devil worshiper, I don't force my belief on them. I may try to interject how I feel and the reasons why I don't think what they are doing is right, but any further than that, I have no say.

Abortion should be given the same consideration. Life is about choices and this country was founded on and is known for freedom of choice, Christianity is a choice. Judge not lest ye be judged... get it. Christians should be pro choice!

Yes he is christian, no he is not Muslim, and how can a guy who grew up with a white mother and little to no exposure to black people be racist? Are you saying he is racist against black people?

Who wouldn't want a president who can do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjbDKU1ndXs

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfw_-F6GR9s

Lighten up!!! Get all the facts straight then you can speak on the subject with some substance behind your claims.

aussiemcgr
QUOTE(muamba @ Sep 1 2008, 05:25 AM) *
Who wouldn't want a president who can do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjbDKU1ndXs

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfw_-F6GR9s

Lighten up!!! Get all the facts straight then you can speak on the subject with some substance behind your claims.


both movies are fake, but still funny as hell.
SwintellSoft
yes they made me laugh very hard , but the point you were making is wrong , i personally dont think getting"crunk" will help him be the president.....

well that is if their a world whyd country leader break dance off and winner takes all >.>



oh and to the above comment "swintellsoft from france"

No acually funny story about that , I one day was bored trying to make a name for my business and the first word that came out of my head

was swintell.... i found out later it was some ones name ,,,,crazy huh? well Swintellsoft Is my software name , is their another swintellsoft? becuase I own
Swintellsoft.com
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 1 2008, 07:40 PM) *
yes they made me laugh very hard , but the point you were making is wrong , i personally dont think getting"crunk" will help him be the president.....


Well the movies are just edited. There wasnt even a song playing when he was wiping his shoulders in the original, and the song he when he was dancing with Ellen was some other song.
Eagle 1
QUOTE(muamba @ Sep 1 2008, 01:25 AM) *
Just browsing through the forums and I had to comment...

The basis of the christian faith is that God gives people the right to choose, good or evil right or wrong, follow the ten commandments or not etc etc. He never forces himself on anyone. Therefore we do not have the right to force anything on anyone else. If they choose abortion then that is their decision and they have to live with that.

I am a christian personally, and if someone professes to be a devil worshiper, I don't force my belief on them. I may try to interject how I feel and the reasons why I don't think what they are doing is right, but any further than that, I have no say.

Abortion should be given the same consideration. Life is about choices and this country was founded on and is known for freedom of choice, Christianity is a choice. Judge not lest ye be judged... get it. Christians should be pro choice!

This country was also built on the freedom of religion and the guarantees of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Christian leaders, yes, but we are not bound by any religious law or statements on choice. Of the freedom of choice and the right to life, life takes precedent, since without it, there'd be nothing to get any freedom wink.gif

Once a life is made, it should not be destroyed. Whatever a person does to him/herself is their business, but it's not anyone's call to make the decision on whether or not someone should even get the chance to live.
†Junior†
Im only 14 and still cant vote but..I go for McCain why?
because all my brothers are in the NAVY and they say go for McCain!
SwintellSoft
well you go ahead and do what your brothers do , even though your probably havent done any reserch on your own about it....
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(Eagle 1 @ Sep 1 2008, 11:13 PM) *
This country was also built on the freedom of religion and the guarantees of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Christian leaders, yes, but we are not bound by any religious law or statements on choice. Of the freedom of choice and the right to life, life takes precedent, since without it, there'd be nothing to get any freedom wink.gif

Once a life is made, it should not be destroyed. Whatever a person does to him/herself is their business, but it's not anyone's call to make the decision on whether or not someone should even get the chance to live.


See, now we're going to start an American history lesson.

First argument of more to come.
From Bill of Rights:
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

These rights are clearly stated to those who have been born. An unborn child doesnt have these rights, especially seeing how an unborn child doesnt have a country of origin yet so they cannot be held to any rights, regardless of country.

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well you go ahead and do what your brothers do , even though your probably havent done any reserch on your own about it....

I agree, make your choice based on your opinion.
wozzym
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 2 2008, 11:50 AM) *
well you go ahead and do what your brothers do , even though your probably havent done any reserch on your own about it....


his brothers are in the navy though, in the war. if they say go with McCain, do they really think the war is horrid?
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 2 2008, 04:05 AM) *
his brothers are in the navy though, in the war. if they say go with McCain, do they really think the war is horrid?


Um, ok. But McCain said hes willing to keep the war going on for the next 50 years...Do you want your kids, and their kids all having to live with this fricken war?
SwintellSoft
QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 2 2008, 04:05 AM) *
his brothers are in the navy though, in the war. if they say go with McCain, do they really think the war is horrid?


this war is horrid , i could link you to a website after website of ppl in this war being beheaded by not only terroists but US military as well....

Just becuase his brothers are this navy....wich hardly go into ground fighting, doesnt mean they know how bad it is...

i would take the advice WAY better from a marine or an army ranger wayyyy more then from the navy....
wozzym
and neither of you really know the truth either. I have family and friends in the war as marines and air force. Its bad, and we do need to get out of there and lay low for a while, but in reality, you cant just jump out of a country by snapping your fingers. we are already withdrawing from there. But we cannot just rush out.
SwintellSoft
true thats why obama is slowly with drawing troops....
aussiemcgr
Any of you guys here about the 3 protesters arrested at the Republican Convention last night? They were protesting against poverty...
MrTouz
QUOTE
This country was also built on the freedom of religion and the guarantees of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Christian leaders, yes, but we are not bound by any religious law or statements on choice. Of the freedom of choice and the right to life, life takes precedent, since without it, there'd be nothing to get any freedom wink.gif

Once a life is made, it should not be destroyed. Whatever a person does to him/herself is their business, but it's not anyone's call to make the decision on whether or not someone should even get the chance to live.


Im moving to the US in less than a week to check it out... since i hav the freedom of life and all.. you think i can get a green card or something ?
SwintellSoft
I wouldnt suggest moving here at all.... alot of ppl say "well america is free and this and that" but it turns out it sucks...


now i would suggest you just come here and stay an imigrint lol they seem to have more rights then citizens...


oh and here are some mcain quotes

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1. "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." --to his wife, Cindy, after she playfully twirled his hair and said "You're getting a little thin up there," as reported in the book The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter

2. "Make it a hundred...That would be fine with me." --to a questioner who asked if he supported President Bush's vision for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq for 50 years, Derry, New Hampshire, Jan. 3, 2008

"I think -- I'll have my staff get to you. It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you." --after being asked how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own, interview with Politico, Las Cruces, N.M., Aug. 20, 2008

4. "You know that old Beach Boys song, Bomb Iran? Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

5. "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should. I've got Greenspan's book."

6. "We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies."

7. "I will veto every single beer, um, bill with earmarks."

8. "I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need."

9.  "We have a lot of work to do. It's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border."

10. "I was looking at the Sturgis schedule, and noticed that you had a beauty pageant, so I encouraged Cindy to compete. I told her [that] with a little luck, she could be the only woman to serve as both the First Lady and Miss Buffalo Chip." --on the annual Miss Buffalo Chip Pageant, which features topless (and occasionally bottomless) contestants,


This is Souce HERE

Andrew
I don't trust quotes. Sourced or not, unless there was audio/video proof, then i might start to believe it. I'm just that type of person, especially with all the photoshoppers and video editors in this world, a video still could lie.

And I have a problem with reporters, most of them are scumbags it seems. They twist quotes around until they suit their story. Make the quotee sound like a complete douche and wrong. I'm not saying that the quotes are fake, and I'm definitely not supporting McCain, I'm just saying I won't believe the quotes myself.
wozzym
If obama would be more consistent and have more experience, I would actually like him. he has some good ideas, but its hard to tell which ones will actually be used if he's elected. He is also inexperienced and has never run a power of any sort.
SwintellSoft
QUOTE(Trippin7464 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:11 AM) *
I don't trust quotes. Sourced or not, unless there was audio/video proof, then i might start to believe it. I'm just that type of person, especially with all the photoshoppers and video editors in this world, a video still could lie.

And I have a problem with reporters, most of them are scumbags it seems. They twist quotes around until they suit their story. Make the quotee sound like a complete douche and wrong. I'm not saying that the quotes are fake, and I'm definitely not supporting McCain, I'm just saying I won't believe the quotes myself.

If you look on the source each quote has its own video proof that mcain himself is saying it


QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 4 2008, 02:23 PM) *
If obama would be more consistent and have more experience, I would actually like him. he has some good ideas, but its hard to tell which ones will actually be used if he's elected. He is also inexperienced and has never run a power of any sort.


Im really not for either i was for ron paul before he dropped out , but now its one or the other and I think obama might change since mcain is saying himself he is a retard look at the quotes lol
Dave
Sarah Palin anybody?

I personally think she is just the fresh of breath air the republicans needed.

I'm really enjoying following everything here in Britain. American politics is a bit like a soap opera, more entertaining than Eastenders anyway!
wozzym
Sarah Palin is actually good. People are just trying to give her trash because her daughters pregnant, e.t.c. And then obama doesnt think being the governor of Alaska is flashy enough. But in fact she has more experience then him as a vp, and hes the other running president? politics...
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 7 2008, 02:41 PM) *
Sarah Palin is actually good. People are just trying to give her trash because her daughters pregnant, e.t.c. And then obama doesnt think being the governor of Alaska is flashy enough. But in fact she has more experience then him as a vp, and hes the other running president? politics...


I would like her if she wasnt so anti-abortion. She seems like a smart lady, but I just dont like some of the things she stands for.
wozzym
dont even bring up anti-abortion as being a bad thing. seriously mate.
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 7 2008, 07:01 PM) *
dont even bring up anti-abortion as being a bad thing. seriously mate.


I dont see how it is a good thing. What possible harm is there in being pro-choice. If you dont want a kid, you dont have to have one. If you do want a kid, no one's telling you you cant. The fetus has no rights, but the adults do.
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 7 2008, 08:21 PM) *
What? It's called choice.


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SwintellSoft
QUOTE(aussiemcgr @ Sep 7 2008, 03:05 PM) *
I would like her if she wasnt so anti-abortion. She seems like a smart lady, but I just dont like some of the things she stands for.

Yep thats what america is about deciding what you want to do and doing it by free will...


QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 7 2008, 07:01 PM) *
dont even bring up anti-abortion as being a bad thing. seriously mate.

It isnt a bad thing to an extent....now alot of ppl say stuff about religion and god doesnt want it , but What if that person doesnt even bleive in their god? its america.... anyways I belive abortion should be there.... I mean if your 12 year old daughter got raped in a playground and got pregnant what would you do...?
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 8 2008, 06:09 AM) *
I mean if your 12 year old daughter got raped in a playground and got pregnant what would you do...?


Very odd example Swintell, little creepy... O and btw, not the first time petaphelia has been talked about on this topic...
wozzym
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 8 2008, 04:09 PM) *
I mean if your 12 year old daughter got raped in a playground and got pregnant what would you do...?


Lmao when you bring it up that way...

but i mean if someone gets pregnant from not being raped or anything, whats wrong with having it and then giving it up for adoption? Its like would you just take a baby out of a stroller in the park and kill it? Why is it that parents are always the first ones investigated on when their child goes missing? Do they really have the right to kill someone? In my opinion, life is there when the heart starts beating.
SwintellSoft
QUOTE(wozzym @ Sep 8 2008, 02:01 PM) *
Lmao when you bring it up that way...

but i mean if someone gets pregnant from not being raped or anything, whats wrong with having it and then giving it up for adoption? Its like would you just take a baby out of a stroller in the park and kill it? Why is it that parents are always the first ones investigated on when their child goes missing? Do they really have the right to kill someone? In my opinion, life is there when the heart starts beating.

what tom said not to mention the foster and adoption system is corrupt , even if you did find a good home you liked theirs always that chance that their sychos... my cousin was adopted by my aunt and his life was very very horrid... he was molested by 2 of his foster dads.... and beaten by alot of em...

its a sick world ,I just think you dont want to bring a kid into it its find by me....
IamShipon1988
Wow this topic got real in depth since I last read it.

Oh btw, I watched the VMA (yeah I regret watching it) few days back and it seems like MTV is supporting the Obama Campaign.
Cmain
QUOTE(IamShipon1988 @ Sep 10 2008, 05:52 PM) *
Oh btw, I watched the VMA (yeah I regret watching it) few days back and it seems like MTV is supporting the Obama Campaign.


Quite a shocker, eh? rolleyes.gif
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(IamShipon1988 @ Sep 10 2008, 09:52 PM) *
Wow this topic got real in depth since I last read it.


Well, if you really look at it, pages 5-9 are basically just pages filled with gay-bashing.
Ziggy26
I would go for Obama. But I cannot vote in the US anyway. So it does not realy matter.
zymicguru
Obama is dreaming... McCain is the next President!
aussiemcgr
QUOTE(zymicguru @ Sep 12 2008, 11:42 AM) *
Obama is dreaming... McCain is the next President!


Well, so much for Palin being a good V.P. She is clearly as stupid as McCain. Read the article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../MNSA12SBUQ.DTL. She has no clue about foreign affairs, she has no clue about war in general, and she said that the war in the middle east is "God's Will". Sound familiar? Maybe because that is exactly what al-Quata said about this war. That it's "God's Will" that "he" want them to "kill the infidels". I thought that she might have actually been smart, obviously that isnt the case.
Dave
Who cares? ...she's hot.

But seriously, I think she is a good pick for the job. Those quotes have been taken out of context predictably. She is being picked apart on her knowledge of foreign affairs which is slightly unfair, due to her previous job as governor being fairly contained. I think her credentials as a strong leader and honest person with clear moral beliefs more than qualifies her.
SwintellSoft
QUOTE(Davey90r @ Sep 13 2008, 02:42 PM) *
Who cares? ...she's hot.

But seriously, I think she is a good pick for the job. Those quotes have been taken out of context predictably. She is being picked apart on her knowledge of foreign affairs which is slightly unfair, due to her previous job as governor being fairly contained. I think her credentials as a strong leader and honest person with clear moral beliefs more than qualifies her.



Anyone who says its "gods will" to kill anyway one is just using religion to satify their own sick needs.... and so what if shes hot that doesnt quailify her to be VP... let alone president...
Dave
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 15 2008, 05:09 AM) *
and so what if shes hot that doesnt quailify her to be VP... let alone president...


FYI, see here.
Adam
Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama / Obama

That is all.
aussiemcgr
The problem with all this is that Americans ARE stupid, at least the majority of them. I've heard women going onto the radio and saying they are voting for McCain JUST because he has a female V.P. They've said they were voting for Hillary because shes a girl. I've looked for some radio broadcasts online but couldnt find the vids to show you guys. Anywho, when asked by the radio show hosts if they knew any of Hillary's "promises" and they all had no clue what she said. These sort of people shouldnt be allowed to vote. A noteworthy one that I am quoting off of memory is a lady saying "I voted for Hillary because Hillary is a girl and I will vote for Palin because Palin is a girl because girls can do N-E-Thaaaaang!!" If McCain does win this election, it will be on the sole reason that he picked a female VP.
Jero2006
i believe that mcain is the odd end but obama will be the first black president wouldnt you like a brother to be the presiddent instead of a complete a hole?
if i were in america i would
SwintellSoft
QUOTE(Davey90r @ Sep 15 2008, 01:23 PM) *


If im not mistaken this IS the serious business section.... so i took it serious by default.....




to comment above: it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT HE IS BLACK... ffs skin color doesnt make any difference and i think your post is ignorant... I wouldnt vote for anyone for their skin color , a black man is as equal as a white red purple or green man or women .....

vote for him because he made good decisions wich he really hasnt.... wanting to put us all in work camps anyways.... but I do say both of them will screw up our country worse then it is...

I do advise no one to move to the US.... we are corrupt and destroying what our great great grandfathers lost their lives to build....
Eagle 1
QUOTE(Jero2006 @ Sep 15 2008, 11:34 PM) *
i believe that mcain is the odd end but obama will be the first black president wouldnt you like a brother to be the presiddent instead of a complete a hole?
if i were in america i would

Someday there will be a black president, but not Obama - at least not now. He's just no good for the country, and personally I'd like to have a better country than to have the first black president (unless the first one made the country better, which I don't see Obama doing over McCain). There's plenty of time for one in the future, but right now there are too many economic, domestic, and national security concerns to elect Obama over McCain.

Also, we're not corrupt, and we're not idiots. Some people are, and in my opinion, deserve to be shot; but the vast majority of Americans are intelligent and compassionate people, who have proven themselves time and time again. Kerry said a long time ago that uneducated people go into the military, but you look at the millions of members in our military and you'll see that's it filled with the brightest people in the world. That's one aspect of our country, and there are great people in this country in many different jobs, and positions, doing what they have to do to help each other, make this a better country, and make this a better world.

Don't knock American for the idiocy of a minority.
aussiemcgr
What delusional world do you live in?
SwintellSoft
Lol yeah eagle we are corrupt , Im not saying every american person is an idiot but We dam well are corrupt not us but our government is and A SHIT LOAD of big markets are as well... and Thats just the world lol
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