And......GO!

That's really not a good way to start such huge topic. There are many ways this topic can go. At least you can give us your feedback on this topic instead of just saying "And......GO!"

lol i wasnt really intending anyone to respond, i just wanted to see if anyone would. But if you are interested, im pro-obama.

Offtopic: aussiemcgr, do you live in Pittsburgh(I see you're a Steelers fan?)

no, florida

obama: for abortion (bad) Muslim (bad) racist (goes with Muslim and is bad)
Also obama is gonna raise the minimum wage which is gonna make the price of everything raise as swell
Mccain against abortion (good) and he's not Muslim or racist (good) he's just better than obama

Whats wrong with abortion? Isn't it up to the person who wants it?

1) abortions arent a bad thing
2) obama is Christian...
3) obama is Christian

I dont know, if you know what is racism or what are the muslim, but you said "obama: for... Muslim(bad) racist(goes with Muslim and is bad)"

If he was against the muslim he will be racist and muslim are not bad

I'm not muslim but I dont think they are bad, they are human like black asian and white... may be the racist is you .

Abortion choice should be deserve to the person who wants it like banjo said



Mccain is like Bush Jr. and that's bad.

Also, do you know that The KKK(Ku Klux Klan) are for Mccain, they have posted a video on internet because they will vote for him.

Maybe racist people are for Mccain and not for Obama.

I'm from Canada and if I'm was living in USA I would vote for Obama

im just going to take this moment to say: "HA! Surprised the topic took off lol."

I really think your reasons for liking or not liking a candidate are flawed. While I am pro-life personally I would not base my vote on it. I also do not believe that Obama is racist at all. Really you should be looking at the candidates political views/past.

I was wrong, I did not want to say the florida, I misled myself between aussiemcgr and nitsuarox,

Sorry Aussiemcgr, I'm was not talking about you I'm was talking to nitsuarox but in fact you live in Florida and I dont know where nitsuarox live.

lol its cool, I just live in florida. I was born in Melbourne, Australia.

LOL we dont want this again.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush...erica_to_survey

And for those who still dont know who to vote for...
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/no_v...ters_looking_to

I'm an Indiana boy



But still I wouldn't vote for the big O

and neither would i.

Obama is not Muslim. Where did ya get that info? Email??? Try watching the news. I can't believe information like that actually gets around.

Yes he will most likely raise minimum wage, but I think that's a good thing. There are many more important reasons why prices are rising.

Not to critisize anyone, but I've never understood the anti-abortion outlook. Basically, I don't consider a fetus to be 'living'. I mean think about it,
1. It can't live without its mother
2. If it was truly a 'live' human being, wouldn't it have the same rights? Such as social security number, right to a lawyer, etc? That would cause some strange implications.
3. Isn't it truly more of the 'potential for life'? That's how I like to think about it. If you want to stop abortion, wouldn't that also imply a desire to stop birth control. It's almost the same thing, it has the same result. It's scary to think that any one of us could just not exist if our parents had got an abortion, but what if they had taken birth control? Same result.

Basically, in my opinion, every human being has many opportunities to create a life. It's your choice whether or not to start the process in the first place (you don't have to have kids), so isn't it your choice to end it before a life is created that won't be cared for?

Without choices, there'd be no point in living. That's why I'm pro-choice.

And if all else fails, we definitely don't want another W (pronounced du-bu-ya).

SEAN223 FOR PRESIDENT!
You've got my vote.

Obama ftw!

Well, thank you.

Obama all the way. Don't kow why, but I just don't like Mccain that much.

John McCain. I truly believe that his intentions are for his country first, and history has proved it time and time again. Both are politicians and play the political game, but I feel that Obama's current ideas are bad for this country and that he just follows the political wind.

On a different note however, I just want to know why does religion even matter? This country was founded on the principles of freedom of religion - freedom from persecution. Nowhere in the presidential requirements does it say anything about race or religion. I honestly just don't like Obama, but of all the reasons anyone could have against the guy, religion should not be on the list at all. I know he's a Christian, but even if he was a Muslim, it shouldn't matter. Obama shouldn't have to say he's a Christian because it shouldn't matter. If John McCain was Muslim I sure wouldn't give a damn, and no one should.

well the US was founded by many religions, catholics,jews,muslims and many others from many other places of the world.

so in the US religion shouldn't matter at all.

tbh i don't see the point of this topic but yes Obama ftw :]

Well, thank you for being reasonable about the reasons you do or don't like the candidates. You're completely right, even if one of them was Muslim, or Hindu, or atheist, or whatever, it shouldn't matter.

Personally, I feel that both follow the 'political wind'. I truly wouldn't have originally picked either of them, but I just can't stand 4 (or even 8) more years of the W era.

Speaking of which, I think there's a movie coming out called "W" about Bush's years in office. That should be entertaining.

Ron paul is still in the race dont belive the media... For more info go to his website... he scares the government because he wants to do things right and stop fucking with other countrys shit =)

http://www.ronpaul.com/

http://ronpaul2008.com/

even if you dont know him check him out please you may be one of his supporters and you dont know it...


ill tell you why i dont like others..

Obama - He is a socialist... he wants to start alot of government programs that suck... ppl will be forced to do stuff like pick up forest and stuff for 2 years!or so and much more programs... this may seem good from afar but thing , Would you rather offer your service or be forced like some slave...

Mcain - He is a traitor and an obamanation to this country... when he was in vietnam he sold out and gave up info just to stay alive in camps... he sold out his own fellow soldiers wile in these camps when they tryed to escape... he also agrees with everything bush does, do we want another bush?

PLEASE VOTE RON PAUL





Vote for ron paul and stop america from being destroyed by Money craving maniacs....

Obama for sho'. I like that he is "for abortion." I like my rights, and I'd like to keep them. I also like that he's been vocal about net neutrality. I don't think he's necessarily the best choice of all the people who originally ran, but he's pretty good.

McCain just scares me. He's changed his standpoints on the weirdest things. He's just crazy (his antics have been all over digg, so I won't bother getting into it.)

Obama ? really? you really want government programs?

I wanted Hillary, but since she's out, I'm going for Obama. I have reasons, I just prefer not to start an argument about them.

please trippin I want to discuss it , There is not way of discussing it without tension of course but it still would be a nice conversation?

I never wanted hillary she isnt for home schooling wich in my opinion i think takes away some of the freedoms that we have =p

What's a government without programs? A waste of money?



So true. She really would have been the best.



That's an interesting reason. Hmmm... One of the reasons I like her so much is her stand on child's rights. I guess part of it is still being one myself, but it just seemed to really get to me that she cared so much about the issue. I think it is absolutely wrong how the laws are worked for kids. Education funds are constantly being cut, teachers get paid hardly anything. It's aweful.

Personally I think home schooling is a big mistake (usually). However, I do respect your right to it. I think she isn't against it so much as she just wants to make sure that kids really are being educated. I know many homeschooled kids who don't know anything academically or socially. Not to say that all of them are of course, everyone's different.

She just wants to further ensure that kids are being educated without the horrors of the "No Child Left Behind" crap Bush left behind.



And if trippin doesn't want to discuss it, he doesn't want to. Geesh. You can argue with me if you want.

In the US, the amount of funds that go into education, teachers, ect. come directly from property tax, no other sources. If you live in Florida you'd know about that Amendment 1 that passed a few months ago to lower property tax, because of that my district has had to lay off teachers, cut school funds, cut bonus funding for highly ranked schools, and cut 40% of Honors and AP courses.

Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that.
It's absolutely horrible what is happening especially with the teachers losing their jobs and Honors and AP students losing opportunities.

Sure there is - you just need to find someone on the other side who is respectable and knows what they're talking about. The reason most fights break out is because usually one side or the other (or both) don't even know the issues, or can't admit that their canidate has faults - the latter one especially. If you ever find to people debating politics who admit the faults on their side and keep a friendly attitude toward the other side, then a lot can get done.


The idea of the U.S. government is to be there to protect its citizens, but otherwise let them run themselves. Big government is what we fought the Revolutionary War to escape from. Also, a lot of government programs are really just wasteful and serve no real purpose to the country. A bridge to nowhere and a highway that cuts through farmland when another road on the same path could just be widened are two examples of poor spending - that money should've gone to something like providing shelter for the homeless, realisitic education plans, and community projects that actually help the community.

I agree to an extent. For instance, I think our government construction is aweful. Why, because if you don't spend the money the government gives you, it is lost. Why won't they let us spend it on something else like education?

I think a government that has many tax cuts and very minimal programs is rediculous. We can't provide education and shelter without them. I agree that some programs are stupid and should be changed but they are still necessary. In many other more developed countries like Western Europe you can visit the doctor for practically nothing because of government health care. The right to life should be given regardless of your income.

Basically, I think we need to spend less on wars and tax cuts for the rich and spend more on education, health care, and other meaningful programs.

We fought the Revolutionary War to become free from "taxation without representation" which is not at all what I was talking about. (At least from the American perspective!)

You dont get what I mean , government programs like one of his ideas , kids for like 2 years have to like every other day or every day or so , have to go and pickup trash , work and other stuff , yes it would bring us out of depression , but it would take away freedom SLAVERY! and their are other ways....

Hillery and Mcain both used smear tactics and that really ticks me off....You should never trust some one who feels they have to stomp on every one else to come atop... and home schooling is not a "BIG MISTAKE!" Lets take my cousins for instance... The princaple of that school was ignorant and didnt listen...

one of my cousins ( age 11 ) went to school and was talking to her friends about how when she was a little girl her brother , who was also a little boy(6 years before) had played with each other , sexually... Well they both got in trouble and it never happened again... well anyways a girl told the princable and the girl tryed to explain that it was 6 years ago when they were both not even old enough to know what it was... but he wouldnt have it... he just went ahead and called CPS , and he told CPS that the brother Touched his sister , he didnt even mention the time that it happened , bear in mind that none of the perents or relatives were contacted durring all this... well the CPS hurrassed the perents for a very very long time and they almost lost the kids becuase the princable to save his own skin by it started to say that she said rape.... they eventually had to move from the emberresment....

thats why its not "BIG MISTAKE"....

oh and i wasnt trying to force em i was just saying id love to discuss it =D

Calm down a bit. I didn't say a "BIG MISTAKE", i said a "big mistake usually". For example, if you live in Nowhereville, Wyoming and the nearest school is 100 miles away, homeschooling is probably a good choice.

However, I still think your reason was abstract and somewhat hard to understand at first (don't get what the SLAVERY! comment was about or if it was for or against any particular candidate?). It seems like more of a problem with that school rather than schools all together. If you don't like the principal or whatever, change schools (unless of course you're in Nowhereville or something).

I think if you want the quality of schools to increase (teachers, building, principals, and such) then we should just give education more funding than just property tax which is constantly being cut. If teachers were paid more then more intelligent people would want to be them.

I really did not mean to insult you personally so I'm sorry if I did.

Same same but different...

She wanted to totally take out home schooling... thats wrong , yes there are bad home schooling but alot of them are not , alot of them are smart young at home moms who dont want to send their kids to schools infested with drugs beer and CPS calling principles =p she should have gone at it with a different way... and the clinton years sucked

I am calm sorry i get caught up when im typing really fast and the slavery comment was for Obama who wants Government programs forcing kids for 2 years to do community service no choice....even if they have stuff going on I think thats slavery

I do live nowereville oklahoma and the nearest school is like 40 minutes away but I do go Wich the school is horrible =p we have a child molester as a math teacher , when he was caught he was a gym teacher so they moved him to math , "hopfull thinking he wont molest the math students" lol but the school has no funding like you said , but hillery should have gone with taht , i just dont like her... this is a duscussion about polotics not school funding


plus alot of the canidates to welcome imagrints... well I hate to break it to em but its one of the reasons were in depression right now... they come in get health plans take jobs and then leave with our money back to their country to be rich becuase our dollar is worth more then theirs.... wich is screwing our economy in the ass... i say better border patrol and save a buck *thumbs up*

and for the guy who says mcain proved himself in the past , i know alot of ppl who were in the camp he supposidly was "a hero" in... the fact is he wasnt, but his rich polotitiant daddy covered it up , teh fact is he gave up all the ppl who were trying to escape to save his own skin... and he told alot of secret plans to them to not be torchered... wich of course they still did... I bet you 100 dollars if you got a veteran convition and ask a viet vet about mcain he'll tell you that he wished mcain would get his ass raped by a spiked dildo... not to mention he is following in bushes foot steps! i mean he said himself bush did alot for this country...the bush years were some of the worst! do you want a bush wana be? I didnt think so , so many ppl complain about bush and how he sucks , but the fact is mcain wants to do everything like bush would do....

A little constructive criticism to help out readers, I know you were typing fast but if you right click the words underlined, you can spell check. Prob would have been best if you did that when you were done.

Anywho, by what I understand, your choosing to vote for no1...?

Okay. By this point I don't think two-thirds of your facts are right, so I'm not going to argue anymore. And by the way, if you use the words "a lot" a lot, you should probably spell them right.

Also, it's Hillary.

can this maybe get a poll on it instead?

Ask, and you shall receive

all my facts are right...

and no i dont spell very well =p its a habit im trying to break.. specially when im typing at 2 AM in the mourning and thats fine , you dont have to...

I just think you should resarch a little more... you say you "think" that my fact are not right , well thats probably because the truth hurts....

And I know a lot , but I come from a very country style part of america and alot of red neck habits catch on to me when i hang out with my friends...

Talk about redneck -- I live in Utah!

No worries. I'm always researching new things. I don't think the truth hurts, it's discovering that other people lie to you that hurts.

And although you may think the Clinton years sucked his popularity rating was above 50% when he left office. Remind me what Bush's is? 28? 32? i could probably live with the obvious "Clinton error" in exchange for a better economy, less death, better schools, better healthcare, etc. A price well paid, in my opinion.

And i did say that I "think" your facts aren't right. But then really nothing is set and stone. Whoever becomes president can do whatever the crap they want to.

In regards to abortions - Abortions aren't bad? In one way, I agree. I think half of the human population should have been aborted and then there wouldn't be so many idiots around. On the other hand, while it may be a 'choice,' women also - unless they are raped - make the choice to spread their legs. If they're going to do that and not bother to take birth control, well, then they need to live with the consequences of their actions. If the woman has taken every precaution outside of not having sex at all, and she's either too young or not stable enough, etc., then I can understand getting an abortion when she isn't fit to raise the child. Or, she could always give the child up for adoption. True, there's no guarantee that the kid will go to a nice family and have a nice life, but it's another option.

Although this argument -

2. If it was truly a 'live' human being, wouldn't it have the same rights? Such as social security number, right to a lawyer, etc?

Should be questioned. Who decides on who has rights and who doesn't? Then you could answer your own question, because if it was turned around and a fetus was given those same rights by the people who deny those rights now, it would suddenly be validated, correct?

Having said that, I don't like either candidate.



Yes, everyone is different, because I know the opposite. While I wasn't homeschooled, I know about a dozen who were, and every single one of them not only grew up to be productive and intelligent people, half of them earn six figures per year. None of them have any social deficiency.

As far as funding, more focus needs to be placed on education in general, instead of paying for illegals and their fifty kids. I like California's stance on the matter. If you go on welfare and have more kids once you're on it, you lose money with every kid you have after that, instead of getting more. It should be that way in every state.

One last thing, and this is directed specifically at Sean223. I like a lot of what you have to say, but there is something to keep in mind - you should never criticize anyone else for something that you, yourself, are guilty of, and that's misspelling. You pointed out that someone didn't know how to spell "a lot" or "Hillary," yet you misspelled two words, yourself. You spelled "awful" as "aweful" and "ridiculous" as "rediculous."

This entire post is directed specifically at JLane.

Well, first I'm glad you like a lot of what I have to say.

Second, I am sure you don't live in Utah with children running everywhere. There are so many home-schooled children here, that my experiences are most assuredly different and possibly more numerous than yours.

Third, the way you say "illegals" makes me think you support slavery or something. If you haven't noticed, foreign people aren't the only ones doing illegal things. That label you give is absolutely horrid.

Fourth, I did not directly criticize his spelling. I didn't say "Wow your spelling sucks!" I simply had a difficult time trying to interpret parts of SwintellSoft's posts, and those are the mistakes that were very recurring and not so much one-time typos but rather habbits. Truthfully, SwintellSoft did not really care. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation if you can't understand the people you're talking to. The fact that you come and criticize more than anyone else shows that you are the one being overcritical.

Fifth, how can something be considered equal to a human in the sense of abortion, but not in other senses? Once again, this reminds me of a "sub-human" way of thinking.

Basically, I'm glad you agree to a lot of what I had to say, but I don't necessarily appreciate the fact that you but into a conversation so rudely. If you had read your own post as critically as you had read all of mine, you would have found numerous grammatical errors that make your post much more difficult to read than mine.

There's a difference between a comment on a person's spelling and just being rude. You just found the line. But, this arguement is ridiculous (spelled correctly) anyway.

Good to know and im not lying... I wouldnt lie about this kind of thing lol if that was what you were implying
its going to take alot for the economy to get to that state , as sad as it sounds ,

and your right , they can do what they want. and that worries me because the goervment is ment to protect the citizens but so far their not protecting us that great now are they? =/ sucks to live in this day in age , in some ways anyways



abortions in my opnion are a good thing as well... i mean no one will ever stop teenagers from sleeping with each other , its human nature... so we have condoms wich sometimes may break , bust , defective or the boyfriend puts a hole in it =O thats why we need abortions.... although its killing a baby , its killing it before it ever even thinks , about anything....

funding: you are totally right.... mostly in the south we have a problem with illigle mexicans *(no this is not racist)* and they come in , get welfare and all the cash they can get their hands on and go back to their country... wich makes our economy shitty.... =/

Concerning this abortion issue, there is one more additional thing to consider. The age old statement: "Shit happens". Sometimes things just happen, like getting pregnant, and the parents may not be fit in any way to accommodate a child. If you ever get in that situation where your girlfriend runs up to you, maybe at an airport lounge and she runs up to you and gives you lots of hugs and kisses but then she grabs your hand smiles at you and says "Jacob, I am pregnant." (sorry NaRzy, couldnt resist)

Anyone supporting McCain needs to reassess their political opinion and sources of facts.