QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 19 2008, 03:13 PM)
He wasnt resisting arrest because those were campus gaurds he wasnt really "under arrest" if he was they would have read him his rights....
your "theory" of what scared means to "YOU" is wrong , being scared doesnt have a set effect on just every one , it may be that way for you but for some it may be different , when i get scared i dont crawl into the vetle position and cry.... and it depends on what your scared of.... Dying and being arrested are totally different things so that is out the windows , thank you very much...
You're contradicting yourself here: My theory of what "scared means to [ME] is wrong", yet somehow "being scared doesnt have a set effect on just everyone"?
When I said that he wasn't scared, I was trying to underscore the point that a scared person shows fear. When I described fear, I didn't mean dying in the literal sense but the raw look of someone scared shitless. Jumping up and down and trying to scream the rest of his argument to John Kerry illustrates confidence (which can exist despite fear). In this case, the confidence was because he believed in himself and really didn't think anything serious was going to happen to him. Why do you think he had someone record him?
I don't belive that Meyer was surprised at being pseudo-arrested. If you planned to create a scene in front of a large audience and target an important public figure at his own conference AND you refuse to leave when asked, you would not expect to be reprimanded? really? The guy is a communications major. Give me a break.
As for the fear during the tasering, that is pain, not fear. After the tasering, when he thought he might be arrested, that type of fear isn't that of a drowning person or a victimized person. It's like the fear you'd feel if you took an exam you never studied for...you put yourself there.
QUOTE(SwintellSoft @ Sep 19 2008, 03:13 PM)
and your right he was breaking the rules... And he apologised for that part but he was being handcuffed when they tased em... I mean cmon there were that i saw 2 bigo guys and that guy was sorta calming a bit they could have arrested him without tasing him.... it just scared him even more... and his lawyer even argued the taser was a bit much.... '
Different opinions do count and Mine is i think he was at some fault but they shouldnt have tased him I mean I could have detained him by myself without tasering him....
and Im not trying to sound like a hippy by saying "the man" but Its very corrupt system and you can pull any person off the street , office, restraunt and they will tell you the same thing... I just thing he felt he had to speak his mind because he might never get the chance again....
- I agree he wasn't really under arrest but I don't think that campus security acted out of place in subduing him. The tasing part was a little extreme but they are authorized to use it against resistant individuals.
- This is a guest conference, where the guy was given more time to speak than any other audience member before they took the mike away. No doubt the guy had some important points to raise but there are lots of other ways to voice them! Believe it or not, uni is a good place to take a stand if you work hard to do it.
- When you say that "he was being handcuffed when they tased em", I think you miss the point that they tased him so that they would be able to handcuff him. His movement was too erratic for them to handcuff him by gentle force. The fact that there were several people on top of him and they still couldn't control him just makes that more obvious.
- I never said others' opinions didn't count. I just think you are supporting Andrew Meyer because you support freedom of speech. One is a person linked to an event and the other is an ideal; it is very important to distinguish between the two. If everyone should be able to use freedom of speech as an excuse for tactlessness, then there would be many demonstrators tearing up both national party conventions this election year and no security could do anything about it.
- I agree that the government probably does censor a lot of dissent (that maybe we don't even know about). But you've stretched the extent of that a bit too far. A good example would be Michael Moore, who has done a very good job increasing public awareness of government inadequacies.
I don't think it's wrong for people to speak out against something they think is evil or bad. In fact, that is very good and as an immigrant, I can appreciate that much better than many native born Americans who take it for granted. But I also understand that the best way to beat the system is to do it while following the rules of the game. If you win something fairly and do it the right way, no one can ever hold that against you. They might hate that you were right. But you will be right.
QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 19 2008, 04:25 PM)
By the way, he ended up formally apologising and admitting he acted like a dick and got what he deserved.
If he truly believed that his actions were acceptable then he would not have apologised. He was in the wrong, he knew it, he got punished. That's all there is to it.