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i just joined zymic and this is the first topic that caught my eye... im not looking for hits but i just made a blog here in zymic and my first blog entry basically tackles religion...

heres the blog http://xditorials.uuuq.com/

that basically sums up my point of view towards religion... im not the anti-christ so dont hate me okay?

it is not important for the god to exist or not exist, But the bible illuminate a world for human.
in other cultures such as chinese, the world is decribed in another set of language without god.

I'm a "see it to believe it" type of person. I've always had a problem grasping the idea of God, although I have come to believe in a power greater than myself. I do believe that someone or something has set a path and destination for our lives.

Religion(s) was (were) created by men, just like science.

Using the western civilization canonized Bible as a reference:
The first Adam was graced with Free Will Advocacy (basically: the reasonable ability of consentual acceptance of a percieved genuine choice; you can choose to accept or decline anything). (a brief layman summary)
The first Adam did accept the Word of GOD in all things, including additionally, to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (GENESIS 2:17) - Eve (created by GOD from a rib of the first Adam as a helper suitable for the man - GENESIS 2:18-22), deceived by the serpent, changed all that truth of Faithful Trust in GOD by man.
By that first transgression in sin, man has since been separated from GOD - save GOD's Chosen. (it is no wonder that this topic of "religion" is left in the dark and is groped for as it is easy to get lost without light to see your way and you bang your head and stumble your feet and fall and eventually curse the lack of lighting)
Faith, Belief, Consciousness, Knowledge of GOD is apart from religion and the former (not the latter religion) is either in you or it is not - it is that simple - it is your choice to heed a percieved calling.

The preception I have seen here in this topic thus far is that the man in the pulpit at one time or another whom you have sought out in a religion preached a good line of this is how to from his preception (possibly guided by higher church organized officials and up the ladder to whomever) had left you aside from your belief of right and wrong and attempted the imprint on to you that belief of the whosaith from the pulpit of the particular religious movement. This undoubtably left bad tastes in your opinion and to wit you left not wanting to return.

Human-beings are inherently lazy and will do the least amount of work for the most amount of gain, even at the expense of their fellow-man or brother or other family member.

One could write volumes of interest on this and never even touch beyond the scratching of the surface never being able to plant a seed. Fortunate for you the place to begin to see and walk over your doubts on this concern of religion is that nothing comes easy and by your own deligence to proof and reproof the knowledge that you seek the truth will emerge. The laws of GOD are immutable and are set (the laws of nature, the physical laws), the laws of men change at the drop of a hat. Don't follow blindly that which is told to you as you always readily accept what another tells or teaches you but rather scrutinize the hell of it and seek by all sources available, leaving no stone unturned no matter how small or great those stones may be.

This is just the beginning of your want to wake up out of your slumber. I will not give a steak to a baby with no teeth for I know the baby will choke and die from that which it cannot handle.

Totally agree with you,
add to that, how can such scientific things mentioned in the Quran since 1400 years, and not discovered only in our time using the high-technology... was it exists Telescopes/Microscopes/... 1400 years ago?

as an example, check what Dr. Keith L. Moore said regarding his speciality & his discoveries... (Embryology and the Qur'an)
there are many examples, that u can verify them by googling ,... & ofc, u need to check from the right sources not sites made by haters...

Thanks for reading, & if u dont like it forget it
Peace be upon you.

Wasn't aware that this is a forum for religious debate.

Anyway, I'm a Christian and have been since I was 22, though I was raised in the Christian faith from the age of 2 or 3.

Christianity is not about religion or following a set of rules. It's about a personal relationship with God.

In the Old Testament book of Deuteronomy chapter 4 and verse 20 we read that God stated, 'But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.'

How many of you have actually done that? If anyone has been seeking him half-heartedly that person will not find God.

Although I have never really considered myself a Christian, I don't mean to find fault with your post, I am just curious what is meant by the word "find". Is belief in God one and the same as having found God? Do you have to believe in Him before you can seek Him?

Well, how can you find something you dont believe can be found? Do you mean like you are walking through the park and you just stumble upon God?

Different meaning of the word find. Anyways, it's not really my point. We have been told that in order to "find" God we must seek Him with all our heart. Now, presumably, in order to seek him "with all our heart" we should first of all believe in His existence.

Do you see my point? And so I was trying to get the previous poster, since he was the one who made the claim, what he sees as the difference between believing in God and finding Him, since it would seem that the first must come before the second.

So it seems you are telling me that you can't find something you don't believe in. Fine, I guess I agree. So you tell me. What does the act of "finding God" add to the state of mere "belief in God".

I find this absurd. To me, this is like saying in order to find Santa, you must believe in him. Which is basically what all children are told; not to mention, its completely backwards--in reality, you'd have to actually find Santa to believe. See him and his flying reindeer, find proof of him, find a toy shop in the north pole.

This whole belief system is emotional. Just as the belief in god is completely based on emotion, which is not surprising.. children all have an emotional connection with Santa Claus and are crushed when they learn the truth. The belief in God is just much more powerful and takes people to the emotional point where they actually deny reason and logic in face of a threat.

Now, as an atheist, imagine how it must be for me to live in a world full of people who not only believe in Santa Claus, but will base their life around it, kill for it, and die for it. Which, in a disney movie, it's of course emotional, and you're almost convinced, that no one believes in Santa, but, in the end, it's reality that we live in--not a disney movie.

Apologies to anyone insulted. I'm not trying to insult religion, I'm just trying to put it in simpler, mutual terms.

In other words, for something to exist, all it takes is belief and it will exist, which partially explains my stance on why I don't believe there to be a God.

I agree.

Also, when I first read that I accidentally replaced the words "Santa" with "Satan" and it was actually kind of funny. The only reason I realized I was reading it wrong was because I never heard of Satan having reindeer or living on the north pole.

So You're an atheist then. I guess I'm more of an agnostic. I don't find it quite so easy to dismiss, and I find your Santa Claus analogy absurd. . To each his own I guess.

You're theistically agnostic? Or you're an "I can't know, and I don't find it important" agnostic?

Out of curiosity, what do you find absurd about my analogy? Other than it being an analogy .. I thought it made a lot of sense

By agnostic I mean that God may or may not exist. I can't prove it either way. It's a debate about whether or not belief in God can be equated with belief in Santa Claus that I consider unimportant.

Anyways, no big deal. I was more interested in finding out what the guy who believes means by "find" than what the guy who doesn't believe thinks about it.

Ah, so you're atheistically agnostic I agree with you that God cannot be proven either way.... but neither can the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The analogy is simply just that God is just as imaginary as Santa. I personally believe religion is threatening to the advancement of humans, so, to me, it carries some importance!

Oh I understand your Santa analogy just fine. It's worth about as much as your flying spaghetti monster analogy. Thanks for a good laugh dude.


how lame.

either you're an idiot, or you just like coming up with stupid arguments to jerk people around. I figure the odds be 50-50

Chill dude. What set you off? This is a thread on religion. If you disagree with some arguments. Fine, but at least make some legitimate counter arguments instead of getting aggressive with me.

One, I obviously don't think they're stupid arguments, since I'm using them. Why do you think they are? I'll start you off. These are illegitimate arguments because...?

Two, I'm not going to lie, I find some amusement in jerking people around from time to time, but wasn't in my previous posts.

Lastly, I'm obviously an idiot because I compared one imaginary being to another.

This is an interesting topic.

I would like to defend Christianity for a minute, but not religion per se. I agree with many others that religion is often merely the invention of men to try to comfort themselves or worse, an attempt to control and manipulate others. There may also be people who call themselves Christians but who reflect nothing of the man they claim to follow. That is sad. However, I think they are the exception to the rule. Most Christians I know are generally speaking humble, slow to anger, quick to forgive and keen to love and serve their fellow human beings as best they can. That's because the example set for them is Jesus, who gave his life to save us.

Jaspa's list of apparent contradictions is, at first glance, quite shocking. But actually, when you stop and think about each one they are not quite as dramatic as they first appear. For example,

REPLY: The Bible often attributes multiple causes to events. That is because it views God as reigning supreme over everything that happens. So when Jesus was killed, the Bible speaks of it as simultaneously the actions of men and the decision of God (Acts 2:23). Whenever anything happens, it is always possible to say that 1) we are (or Satan is) responsible and 2) God arranged it.

REPLY: This is just a basic case of not really understanding the terminology. Judah was the two southern tribes, while Israel was the ten tribes in the North. Together they are called ALL ISRAEL. 1 Chronicles records the total for all Israel as 1,100,000 and then adds, "including 470,000 men from Judah". So the numbers are actually quite close. However, the numbers do not agree. But there is a good reason for this. Joab was actually opposed to doing this because it was against the way that a king of Israel should rule under God. Before he undertook the census he said to David, "May the Lord your God add to the people a hundred times more than there are!" So Joab, who undertook the census was by no means interested in reporting the figures accurately.

Some of the other apparent 'contradictions' stem from variances between VERY ancient texts. You have to understand that "the Bible" is actually a living thing - up until a few hundred years ago it was a dynamically growing collection compiled from a vast collection of ancient texts, some more than 3000 years old. There are sometimes small discrepancies (like whether Jehoiachin was 8 years old or 18 years old) between those very old texts.

You see the Bible is teaching a bigger story than "the Bible is right". It is teaching a story about God and men and how little, complicated, flawed human beings can have a relationship with the creator who is not so. The Bible does not claim to record all historical truth - but only the historical truth that's important for learning what God has done in the world to bridge the gap between us and him.

Sorry for going on so long. I am trying to give some balance to this thread.

Your quote reminded me of something. One of the people in my Sunday School asked, "Who created God?". My Sunday School's teacher replied saying, "Nothing. God is just..... there."

You don't have to believe in God, in order to 'find' Him. You only have to be willing to believe in Him when He reveals Himself to you.

'Find' is used here in 2 ways:

1) as it might be when a child is adopted by new parents and says, 'I have found parents.' The new parents came to the child and 'revealed' themselves.
2) with reference to our desire to know if God really exists and the efforts we make in trying to find out if He does, including reading the Bible to see what it tells us about Him.

Christianity is really an on-going relationship with God, through the Lord Jesus Christ, when He has revealed Himself to a person and they have accepted the Christ/Messiah as their Lord and Saviour.

With reference to the 'existence' of God, let me ask, do we have to beleive in someone before they can exist? What about all the people in the world whom we have not met? If we refuse to believe in them, does that mean they cannot and do not exist? Likewise, is it impossible for God to exist because we do not believe in Him?

It seems one can find God the same way one can find an invisible friend.

According to your definition, it is not necessary to believe in God to find him. I don't believe, but I'm always willing to believe in something that exists. Also, a question, why is it necessary to find someone who is supposedly supposed to reveal him or herself to you?

Furthermore, your adoption analogy does not support what you're trying to explain. A child will believe that parents exist whether they're for him or not--meaning, it's not so far fetched for a child to believe in parents. Now, being told you're going to be adopted by a wolfmother and bigfoot, you probably wouldn't believe it, until they show themselves to you--when they find you, not you find them.

And the problem, for me, is that I do find the notion of God far fetched. Going along with your reality, why is it that God made me like that--finding him far-fetched? And if God is perfect and all-knowing, and he has his "plan", then why is it that religious people try so hard to change what God made and planned, from start to end?

Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a God and wish I could have a relationship with him, but there's so much in the way of that.

I've been reading the Bible for English Class and the more I read it, the more I believe less.

Even a fundamental idea of the Christian religion is threatened by the Bible. According to the Christian religion, there is one god, but Genesis 1:26 says this:

First off, the use of plural to talk about God clearly implies more than one. Second, the word "and" used in a list always means the end of the list. In this passage, the word "and" implies that the list ended with the phrase "over the cattle". However since it continues once more afterward AND fails to include the consistent punctuation, I question whether or not the phrase "over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth" was placed in by someone's own interpretation. If at any point in the Bible someone's interpretation has changed its original text, then it is clearly not a good reference to base any facts off of.

Thanks. I thought about it, and I don't really differentiate. To me, belief in God means that you think he exists. If I don't believe, then I think he doesn't exist. So It seems to me that finding Him takes it a step further.

Have you ever thought what would be the world without religion?there would be dearth of ethics and morality.I strongly believe in religion.I think Person must be a religious because religious person is focus to their god.

yes I believe in all relilgen i proud to i am an indian person I really belive in god I believe that the god is one who protect them from all suffer.

This is a very interesting topic and I managed to read through several pages before finally deciding to post the following. I must admit, I didn't finish the entire post so please excuse me if I'm repeating things. Aside from that I'd like to share that I'm very much on the fence about religion in general, all of them in fact. I have yet to truly decide to take the plunge in faith or to fully turn my back on religion per se.

That being said, what I have here is a listing of similarities between Horus the Sun god of Egyptian belief and Jesus of the Christian faith. Please note that this was one of the best lists that I managed to find but there are plenty of them available. I'm also only providing this link because I'm simply too lazy to write up a thesis regarding this here.

Jesus' and Horus' life events

Ultimately I hope you find it at the very least interesting and not my way to tempt you away from your faith.

The really interesting thing about religions is that most of them consist of the same or very similar details. This would mean one of two things. 1) All religions are spin-offs of one original religion. 2) All religions are referring to events that may have actually occurred. Regardless, the time in which most of the religions supposedly began was during a time where the different civilizations didnt have any significant communication to one another. Which makes everything more confusing as to why most of the religions contain similar details.

I was watching a show on the History Channel a few weeks ago. Although I dont necessary believe what the show argued, I did think they had some damn good arguments. The show was called "Ancient Aliens". The show is a series and the episode I watched was called "The Evidence". The episode had a look through the different religions and civilizations a long time ago and argued that aliens visited the planet. They talked about the similarities between the different religions and the ridiculous level of astronomy knowledge humans had back then. It was an interesting viewpoint and I highly suggest it to anyone open minded enough to appreciate it.

I'm a Roman Catholic and I have faith in our God, no matter how many religions exist in this world the only one thing in common is that we believe in one God. Even me can't go to church regularly but I do pray everyday, to thank Him for all the things He gave us. But I don't really have problems with other religions opinion towards other religion, I'm a neutral person and I don't care about anyone, just do your thing and I'm gonna do mine as well. I haven't provoke anyone and never have any plans about doing it. Peace to all

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Ok so you people dont want to believe in God Thats ok But everyone has their own right of believing and faith so they do, I dont pray to god also but I didn't say anybody not to pray if they like and have rights to do anything they want and I've same. Thanks

It doesn't matter where we pray, what matter is when we pray we are sincere. We shouldn't be faithful in religions but with God and religion can be an organization we can join it to develop our faith and to help spread awareness about our God almighty. There are also religions that joined together to help the needy people and we can be a part of it. That is my opinion about it.

Well, really an amusing and vast topic in itself.

I just wanted to ask everyone a simple question.

We always refer someone or something to as GOD.

But do anyone know who or what GOD really is?

Please reply.

i am flaming, and m British , i did not believe too religious, i praying for god i cant example.

god is only one and god is available everywhere i dont think so you need to search a church for prayer

How you can say so confidently that God is available everywhere. Have you ever seen him?

I am Christian and always fear from the GOD.
Our Joy and Sorrow all are in the hands of GOD.\
NEVER Forget his mercy on your work..

I am Christian..I FEAR from THE GOD JESUS CHRIST...
MAY ALL GOD BLESS YOU...

As a catholic, I respect any religion we/you have .. we have faith in God.



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i am just not satisfy with your statement that to beg pray is a standard of religious. actually prayer is only to beg from God, it is only way through which we can prove ourselves the follower of GOD. it shows that we need GOD'S grace and His Mercy, if we don't pray to GOD it means we re proudy, which is the most worse thing in Islam.

The best religion of all time is Islam and i am proud to be a Muslim.

That is great, Getting religion is not a bad choice, even I don't believe in any religion alike. It is personal right to make a choice or not.

I grew up in a home where my parents believed in God, and my mother taught me much about him by her example. I personally decided to act on what I had learned from her as well as my Church meetings. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (some people say Mormons), and was taught much about God there as well. In our Church we believe that people are entitled to know for themselves whether or not what is in the scriptures or what is taught to us is true.

How did I come to know if God is real? Two things that helped me find out for myself are 1) personal and sincere prayer, and 2) studying His words in the scriptures. After some time and effort in doing these two things, I have come to feel within myself that God is real and that He does hear and answer our sincere and heartfelt prayers. Yes, I was taught this growing up, but I have "proved (him) herewith" (Malachi 3:10) and I now know for myself that God lives, that we are His children, and that he love us and answers our prayers.




Alex, I must respect you not condemning one belief or the other, but I wonder if you were more open to the idea of God being real if you would see it. I see no reason not to believe in Him. I do understand how you feel when saying, "I don't think it would really be possible for mankind to posit a divine being or beings with any accuracy at all." I don't think man, alone, can do this either. I do believe, however, that God does speak to man, and by so doing reveals himself unto us. Do you believe the words of the Bible at all? Just curious. I am quite critical of things myself, and I love to analyze them. I have come to know there is a God, and that he loves His children with a perfect love, and wants the best for them.

Thanks for your post!

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