I'm an Atheist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...INZDWjALkxNHCDA

watch this.

it talks about christianity and other religions

I Think that is all that needs to be said. although we are all human beings, so i openly accept everyones religion. and i think the people that mock others religions should **** themselves.

I was raised in a Christian family, never been pushed to go to church but i used to go while i was little and did not know anything about life at all.

After time and really little research i found out (like many people) that most of the religions have contradictions, not only on their texts but also when it comes to apply it nowadays.

Religions are old, thousands of years for some of them, couple hundreds for others but we the people grew up after their creation but somehow these religions did not. I believe it is impossible to fully follow a religion while living in this current world, the only way i think would be either following it and cut yourself from the world, or lie to your self and follow the religion while you do bad things such as not respect some of the religions aspects.
For example the Jews have a day in the year where they are 'pardoned' for all their mistakes, and where in church you can confess and be pardoned as well... i mean, where is the point of following a religion if you can go ahead and do bad stuff but ending pardoned all the time ?

Other contradictions inside the Bible as well as on the Koran, and many other religious books have been found, like when jesus was born, it is said that he was born the 25th and that the sky was full of stars, but there are no stars where he was born in December nowadays... or when it is said to follow the prophet Mohamed, but hello, Mohamed is only a messager, he only brings info from 'god' why not follow the King which is the representation of God on earth ? stupid it might sound, but its how it is...

Disappointment is what i have found with religions, as from contradictions but also as where it leads to, look at it now, all what is happening in the world ? Tibet, the genocide that is happening right now, where they are killing innocent people, its again a religious problem, also the killings that happen all over the world, the 2 towers going down, problems in Iraq, problems in Iran, the crazy dude that wants to kill everyone around him, problems in Lebanon with Israel and the Palestinians...

Sadly, most of the crisis and the massacres that happened and that are happening these days came from religion, so this is my question to it creators :

Wasn't religion suppose to comfort people, make them find peace, care, happiness, joy ?

It was, but since its not doing what it is supposed to do, i personally decided not to follow any of the religions.

hi Alex was just having a quick browse around when i came across your post........I believe that the agnostic position is a good position in many ways even though I am a muslim.....what I appreciate about your belief is that it has the knowledge to admit you don't know......for me all I can say is that i believe the higher reality can never be realised through rational analysis alone.........PEACE

Well... nowadays, who really knows what religion iss...

Those who preach it think they know it.

their just preaching what they think others should think of it as, so basically there are 1000000000 ways of looking at it

=P You may be right but its still human nature to have hope in some thing

I just wanted to throw this out here to see how people would reply. The bible was translated and re-translated many times, thus there could be MANY flaws in today's bible. Another couple of interesting reads. onetwo. These compare Nimrod, his wife, and others to other religions. Christianity itself has too many misunderstandings within itself to try to lead an argument against someone else at this point. Most Christians don't even use their own gods name, they call him "a land owner" or "anointed one" Name of god, and we break one of our commandments regularly, Sabbath. Why do we go to church on Sunday? Doesn't Sunday sound like a day you would worship a sun god like Helios or something? Yes, thanks to the greed of Roman Catholics we worship Our god YHWH the same day as the other people worship Helios, and many other sun gods so that they can collect their offerings on the same day! Sun god worship.
To conclude, Christians need to argue amongst themselves before they even try to argue with non-believers (not to sound convicting or anything against non-believers, they have freedom of choice)

Googleing is fun.

I think to be only faire you should compare the other religions as well.

Not going anywhere but :



What you mean by arguing ? like preaching ? to convert ? or make people believe ?, so you are basically saying they should first argue between them before they go all and try to make other believe... and argue with them because they do not believe.

I do not think Christians, go looking for people or even 'argue' with non-believers.

I think you are confused with Muslims (and no not going anywhere with this)
But, it is said in the Koran that non believers will be punished
But, it is not said inside the bible. In christianity you actually have the right to choose between being christian or NOT, and since the very beginning Christianity was for the poor people and people that had nothing. 'God' as they name was here and gave them Bread and Win. But he never pushed anyone to believe.

He said one day or an other they will believe and find out... but thats not pushing people to be converted, or make non-believers - believing. So i see no, but really no argument in that religion.

Tho, if you want an argument, again (not going anywhere - i hate fights about religion) the real argument is about Muslims suiciding and killing innocent people because they do not beleive. Here i see an argument between believers and non believers.

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I, if you read above said i did not believe in religion, i have my reasons, but yes both ways, well all the ways possible, religions are not what they were.
I still think it was made in different circumstances that do not apply to todays world. That is why so many things are not respected anymore, but people change, and i think 'religion' should too.

Ha! I for one have read all of the bible and no were it says "magic is bad!" but it may mention magic like trying to bring spirits from the dead...

and for your remark "what does he have" like their would be a name for power that the creator has... that remark is just another cheap shot that athiest try to
come at christians with but I have answers for it alot of that garbage (at least try some thing more hard for me to come with)


are you now? so your proud of a religion whos messiah type person Made all the rules....
for example Mohammed married a 6 year old girl...... Oh and then "allah" supposedly told mohammed that he can marry as many women as he wants

i think the koran is a load of junk , no offence but any religion who would kill the very poeple that he/she created is just stupid....you know also that if
a Muslim kills a jew or christian they get 72 virgins in heaven XD how ever God says in the bible that we won't feel any sexual feelings in heaven =)



dude many different religous scriptures have been re translated you act as if some one targeted christianity and made it their own... As it was re translated there are originals so that are worded almost exacly the same just in a different language... and I have no herd Him called "the land owner" or "anointed on"... what did that come off the top of your imagination? We call him by his name or God or heavenly father or lord wich is perfecly respectful Poeple come up with new names like lord or heavinly father some times but it hardly catches on... And thats why God loves us...

And yes as you said christianity has many misunderstandings... MISSUNDERSTANDS!!! this doesnt mean its all false it just means that some ignorant ppl just dont get it the way he wants us to see... Thats why we go to church...to learn and every one contributes to tell it how he wants it...

how do we know? its just in each in every one of us he chose all of us!

we Go to church on sunday because its the day were supposed to rest as he did...



sorry for any rudeness but im serious in this matter =p

I'm Atheist and we all know how the churches these days are loaded with money (in the US anyways) by getting donations from everyone and then declaring nonprofit organizations to avoid taxes and to make gigantic steeples. My question is if "God" wanted those steeples and all, y wouldnt he just give them the money or do whatever the hell he does

Bringing this thread back are we?

Well, I am an atheist. Actually I'm willing to believe in god. Give me some indisputable proof and I will join you and the billions of others who believe in that fantasy... please try to prove it. I find the attempts pathetic and useless.

A story dating back... a long, long time ago became popular and somehow managed to plague the almost the whole population in its unintelligible suggestions on how we were "created" is definitely not proof of anything but a good imagination. That's the problem. People are scared of accepting something that's been a part of their life since they were a child. I am, I truly am willing to believe. I'm just not as gullible as the uneducated peasants from thousands of years ago (who's intelligence is obviously less than a 5 year old's).

It's your sexually given right to be curious, to question things. If something seems false it "probably" is. It almost definitely is in this case. If your scared to think about there not being a "god" than you're far too blinded and corrupt to be able to think rationally at all. You are told to believe something and you do. Allow yourself to think freely... don't let the majority ruin your chance at the truth. Especially your chance to escape the lies.

Just my tiny contribution to the world of lies which will change nothing in the endless debate...

I'm an atheist, because nothing else really makes sense to me. However, that doesn't mean (as some religious folk tend to think) that I don't have a strong set of moral standards, or that I don't believe in some kind of "spiritual" force -- though I do think that said spiritual forces can be explained by science.

I don't think there is anything that can't be explained by science. If there is a god, science is one of its most beautiful creations. So why wouldn't god create everything according to the mechanics of science?

As far as morals go, do whatever you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others. This philosophy works incredibly well, if you think about it. It restricts you from killing an innocent person, since it denies someone innocent the right to life, and so forth. It also takes care of those gray areas pretty well.

I guess you could say that I prefer the spiritual beliefs that make sense to my scientific mind. I can't stand the idea of blind faith.

I think this just about sums it up:
"Question with boldness even the existence of God, for if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." (Thomas Jefferson)

I do not believe in God.... I live by this simple philosophy: Believe in What you want to believe

Thats why the call it faith but i see were your coming from about being gullable , its not really belivable.... at all , but thats why my religion is the way is is "baptist" it is so he knows who truly belives , if he just came out and said to you "IM GOD WORSHIP ME!" then alot of ppl may have "pretended to" but thats just how the world is... plus "he" puts us thru this to be able to handle heaven , and even if you dont belive , Its still soem thing that ppl do to make them feel better.... if not beliving makes your think your smarter then so be it =) you are right about the right to wonder , thats how so many religions came to be... even if there never was no God whats the point in putting down those good relgions that just seem to do nothing but good , I also see were your coming from on those big churches who only care about making cash....I go to a small church...thank God lol


I see why you think this thought blind faith is very scary... you always have that in the back of your mind that says "hey This is weired how does this make sence..." but Thats these days for ya , Everything is explained by science but there are some things that arnt wich is very few but I just dont see how we happen to be so perfect.... not the world but the earth its the exact space from the sun , and humans being able to think and remember like we do.... how really does science explaining that coming to be , Now alot of scientist say "well we came from 1 cell organisms ...well i dont know aboiut you but i dont want to belive in a "religion" were spitting in your hand would represent your great great great great great grandad XD and i see were your coming from as killing ppl , but you do have to watch out , as some populare religions promote killing ppl.... wich in my opinion is an obamanation to any person religion or not...

I must disagree with several of your points.

If god did come out, I wouldn't have to pretend to believe... believing wouldn't be a part of it anymore. It would be the choice whether to worship him or not. Who says I'd even worship him even if he WAS real. Put it this way - if Santa comes out and reveals himself to the world... it's not a question of belief anymore. He's there! Its whether you want to accept his presents (In this case, worshiping god) But then again there would be a lot of questioning on the whether it was actually him but that wasn't your point.

Personally, I think it is a very sad claim to say that there is god with so little proof. Honestly there isn't much, and what is claimed to be proof is just supported by itself making it completely redundant. Religion itself is pathetic.

I am puzzled by how you think that religions have done more good than bad. Religion has done no more good than santa did for the little children (Santa seems to be my metaphorical character today). He gave them good hopes but eventually disappointed them in his non-existence and gave nothing. Yes there are some good things religion brings but that is like saying that good things came from World War 2. We got computers out of wwii so it was a good war... but that's if you leave out the millions of deaths caused by the war, ironically because of religion. Computer's can wait

Religion promotes killing, whether it's directly or indirectly. It has somehow caused death. Even Jesus encourages killing disobedient children!! (According to the old testament - Mark 7:9)

I believe god was created by man to explain the unexplained. Everything that scientists can't explain now, doesn't mean they'll never figure it out. So 1000 years ago... people got sick. That was because god was angry? No, science has proven it to be because of "germs" and such. So I'll let you believe that some things aren't explainable by science... until they are. And, I'm sorry, but you're so wrong about humans. We are one of the most corrupt species on the planet. Extremely far from perfect. And what has made us that way is explained by science in some way.

Sorry... I don't agree with much of what you said. It's just impossible to believe in a god being rational.

Luke

@Swintell: I wasn't saying that everything I believe in needs to be explained by science. (We're not nearly sophisticated enough to understand this world anyway.) I just think that my beliefs need to make rational sense to me in order to make any use of them.

And I fail to see why it isn't plausible that a human can evolve from a one-celled organism given enough time. Here's an analogy: how did that one-celled organism come to be from a universe filled with a bunch of amorphous hydrogen and helium? Things evolve over time. It's just the natural order of things.

@Luke: It depends on your definition of perfect. The main function in our programming is survival. But given the nature of human intelligence, some people value survival as an individual, others value survival as a group, and so forth. Perhaps we are perfect in that way? (Alright, so now I'm arguing for the sake of arguing... but so what, it's fun. )

I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about the "Big bang Theory" yet, the universe was created in one defining moment through an explosion of gases and what-not and about 99% of the gases in the universe was created at that moment. I think I heard that 96% of the Sun's (and most other stars') hydrogen was created in that first moment of creation. Now according to research (I dont have citations so bear with me) the universe is constantly expanding and things are slowly moving farther apart. The idea behind this is because everything is still being pushed apart from the "Big Bang" however I've been told that the speed of which the universe is expanding is slowing down.
I was watching a small thing on the Discovery Channel awhile ago and some guy has a theory that the universe expands like a rubber band. The more you stretch it the larger it gets, but the more you stretch the harder it gets and you can only stretch it so far until it all snaps back into its normal size again alot faster then it took you to stretch it. He thinks that at one point the universe will stop expanding and then snap right back into a spec again (destroying everything). Then the pressure created from everything come together will create yet another "Big Bang", and the process will go on forever.
I do find some logic in this explanation because the "big bang" is thought to happen about 12 to 14 billion years ago, so the big question would be "What happened 15 billion years ago?". Maybe the answer is that the universe has just been going through an endless amount of "Big Bangs" and in each Big Bang there are different life forms created depending on each result of the bangs.
This idea (similarly to creationism) that the universe was created in one defining moment however unlike creationism the universe isnt created from a higher presence but instead a huge explosion. It is also possible that early life somehow discovered this and saw the explosion as the "creator" and throughout the years the thought was gradually changed from a gigantic gas explosion to what we now know as "God". The entire thought of creationism could be simply based on a misconception created from the story of the "Big Bang" traveling throughout society and throughout time (like the telephone game). As time and stories pass from one another, people add things and take things away to the point where the difference fact and fiction can no longer be determined. I honestly think that the thought of "God" is simply a misconception created from the early stories of the "Big Bang". Maybe someone along the line decided to add a face (God) to story to make it either funner to tell or to get more people interested in the idea of a single moment of creation. With the addition of a higher power, the thought of a single moment of creation changed from cells being created and eventually evolving into what is now humans to a higher power creating the species already evolved to "his" liking. Just because there was a single moment of creation doesnt mean that the single moment created what we have now, but rather what will eventually turn into what we have now. The cells and organisms were created using the environment that was given to them from the "Big Bang" but in order to survive in that environment they had to evolve to the point of self-dependence. It is highly possible that there are other forms of life throughout the universe that doesnt need the same things that we need on earth (oxygen, water, ect.) but have managed to evolve to the requirement of their environment.


**For those wondering where all this came from...I've started taking some ADHD meds and am ALOT more focused than usual, lol**

lmao nice lecture... I agree with some of it. I agree that it could've started out as a story that "turned into god" but it's highly unlikely that they came up with a theory even similar to the big bang... not at that time UNLESS a whole previous civilization with great intelligence happened to be wiped out and the few that remained carried this and it changed through time... but than again I'm just making up stories. But I agree that it is kind of like whisper down the lane. Good theory though

I thought it had, but I'll mention it again in reply to this. The current theory is no longer that the universe will "snap back" (this is the Big Crunch or given what you talk about later the Big Bounce theory), and while there is some evidence to support those, the current observational evidence suggests the opposite. What you've got is that depending on the amount of energy there was in the universe it could either crunch back in, eventually settle to a fixed size, or expand endlessly.

The current understanding is that the expansion of the universe is continually accelerating, and that we are likely to be heading into a state of "Heat Death", where due to the laws of thermodynamics the energy in the universe has continually been turned from useful energy which can be used for thermodynamic work into waste energy - that's one of the effects of ever-increasing entropy. Anyway, what this basically means is that the amount of energy in the universe will eventually even out, and there won't be enough energy for any thermodynamic work to be done. In the short term, that means an end to stellar formation, the death of stars and the end of life as we know it. But, it continues onwards since our current attempts at GUTs (Grand Unified Theories) predict that there is an exceedingly long but finite half-life on protons, and as they all slowly decay (freeing neutrons, which free from a nucleus decay in a matter of minutes) all the matter will break down, and all that will be left are supermassive black holes (which also die eventually due to Hawking radiation and a decreasing level of background radiation), and in the far far far distant future there'll just be photons and leptons bouncing around in an otherwise empty void.

Wasn't that encouraging? Anyway, that's only the current theory, and it'll happen a unimaginably long time in the future, so we'll already be dead and it won't bother us.

And if you want to ask what happened 14 billion years ago (scientists currently estimate it's 13.7 billion years old), it wouldn't necessarily be that there was another universe, even given the Big Bounce theory, as there's no reason to expect that there /was/ time prior to our Big Bang, at least, not as we know it.

Well there had to be something...

Changes the way you look at time

Not given how theoretical physics considers time. It's just another dimension, and there's no reason to expect that outside of our universe it exists at all.

And again - it changes the way you "see" time. You have to look at it differently to understand what it really is.

I didnt mean to imply that what you said didnt make sence , I understand that we could never understand thats why we try to understand =p




I dont belive this theory.... for one you talked about it as if it was a proven fact... as stated above humans will probably never figure out how the earth was created , i think we will all die out before then... And it was a theory.... as a theory it is a good one , But its just some ones theory like if i said that the there used to be 2 suns and one exploded and made different planets...it would me my theory not a fact.....

and The guy who thinks the universe is a big rubber band , were really is the proof about this , Isnt the universe supposed to be endless....
and if you say no , how could any one on this planet possible know =)

Your "God and the telephone game" theory is a good one , But its not what "I" belive , simply becuase I like hope in my life , even if all of it was true , theirs no fun in knowing when your gonna die =p

oh and on a more friendlier side , Try to space out your words , the big wall of txt can get hard to read some times =p draws ppl away from your post
=)


Im really not discrediting it here , but Why? i just dont see why ppl not beliving in what YOU belive makes you sick , in my opinion that seems a bit self centered...

Yes it is a theory, but theories aren't just random shit. They have evidence to support them... and massive amounts of scientists researching it. Trying to find the "bugs" in it... Sure you could say that a sun exploded and it made planets but it's a pathetic theory... It's almost as pathetic as saying that there IS a sky daddy that looks over us all. The only difference is - Scientific theories are open to change. Religion? Open to nothing.



There is obviously some type of proof if it made it to discovery channel. And honestly, you can't go around claiming things aren't true just because you say so or with little to no support.



So you live a life of lies just so you can pretend that you will live after life? Some life.



Agreed.

They are theories, but there /is/ evidence which originated them. A theory without any support wouldn't get published.

It's not endless, and scientists haven't thought that for a long time. They have in fact gone so far as to calculate the size. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Size

Not many people do think the Big Bounce / Big Crunch theory are valid these days, but there are some people who thing it is true. Here's a reference from 2006 from someone who has added a bit more support to it: http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/Ashtekar5-2006.htm

first quote - Ok =) and their isnt a "sky daddy" its just a belief of a Higher being....
Second quote - I never claimed it wasnt true to be honest bro and these are just my opinions...
third quote - well its not a life of lies.... Its only good if you truely belive , Even if its not true , as long as your belive and your a happy and better person for it I really dont see the problem in it? most relgions just make ppl behave better , "10 commandments..."


Say it was true... This sounds really really depressing , and probaly would cause alot of faint heart to give up on life becuase they know they are going to die and be gone from existance , on the other hand , relgion belives you go some were.... like i said above it hurts nothing , yet ppl come on here and yell and scream and make fun of what makes most ppl better.... yes its good to discover and learn about the universe but there are also science mixed with relgion...


man there are alot of theorys and only one of them can be true.... tahts all im saying...

Are you open minded at all to change your beliefs? Or are you just going to accept the fact that you are living a lie. If you want to behave better, behave better. No need for religion.

oh very Infact i went through like 3 relgions finding the one that made the most sence... including science but science for some reason just doesnt give that good feeling about life =/

Its what makes me happy that is the best.... and its doesnt matter what is true or isnt , we all will die some way , some how no matter from judgment day all the way to the stretching rubber band theory or the exploding sun who knows we could be taken over by gorilla aliens...

live life the way you want it =p

First of all, science is not a religion. And it isn't meant to give you that "bright, cheery feeling" inside. It is meant to expose the truth and be as accurate as possible through observable data and analysis of that data...

I personally believe that a life without truth has no meaning. Living a life of ignorance is no life at all. It is much better to die on your feet than live on your knees. The Soviets were happy under Stalin but are you willing to live that life of ignorance for bliss. Sometimes it's true... but other times it just disgusts me.

You obviously don't believe in what you say you do if you don't care if it's true or not. In that case, you are living a lie. Which I find pathetic and useless. Make the best of your life. Why waste it on a fairy tale?

OK,OK,OK. Let's stop for a moment to actually look at it and realize that no matter how much we argue about who's right and who's wrong, the fact of the matter is no one will ever know the real answer.

It's a debate... what do you expect?

Does that even matter? If I was absolutely positive that Santa existed and I was arguing with someone about His existence would you still say "No one will ever know the real answer". Probably not... and even if you did, you can't say something exists just because you can't prove it doesn't.

Far too many theists use this as an argument - "You can't prove god's not real". We don't have to prove it's NOT real... atheists aren't making any positive claims. The burden of proof is NOT on Atheists, but on theists.

So I need some pretty convincing proof of God for me to believe. Only then would I have to prove you wrong. But that day has not and *probably* never will come.

*Many* atheists don't claim that "there is no god"... but that they don't believe in a higher power and would be willing to believe in a god if there was substantial evidence - which there is none.

Prove it to me!

Luke

First off I didnt mean to say it was a relgion , I understand that =p

Some times fairy tales are the best life to live, its not useless , you can both want to explore science and Be smart.... I just dont see how relgion is a problem.... Im not saying you have to beleive , no one has to , every one has their own self rights to do what the fuck they want =D

religion gives a person morals... well most relgions... well some =p anyways no matter what you do in life , from exploring stars to dancing for a lizard king... as long as it makes YOU happy it shouldnt matter... relgion will never go away , its curiosity at its best... and worst... you just have to deal with it

and There is ALOT of proof read up on it... its pretty late If im on tommarow ill link ya a bit , alot of stuff happened in the past if there wasnt proof religion would have been long gone... maricles healing ect ect alot of the bible was proved , but you are right , the bible is one of the most translated book in the world many books of it are missing and much could have been changed... there may not be as much proof as Science does but thats why its called Faith... If God just put so much proof we were all convinced we would all know the total truth he wants us to be challenged... so he knows who truly will get into heaven

and its alot harder to be on Gods side becuase there are alot of atheist in this world then Christians... your one of those ppl that "dont believe in until they see it" well the sad part is no one can see him... if God just walked around earth like a human he wouldnt be a being he would be a thing... the bible was written by ALOT of ppl... over thousands of years.... now I dont see how all those ppl just made one big lie and it all clicked togather... theres just so much proof around you every day.... you just have to look for the right thing , hes not going to come down face to face and be like , Luke! I AM YOUR GOD! (darth vador voice) how do you explain the billions of maricles that happen... alot of them no one can.... becuase maricles do happen and its God tahts the proof of God


and yeah this is a debate but me and luke wont get into a total fight , I still like em =p

Fairy tales are a way to waste your life. And religion is probably one of the worst fairy tales to live. Fairy tales have no relevance to our world in anyway. You get so much more out of real people dealing with actual events than reading fake stories about fake people dealing with imaginary god-men.

I'm not saying that either. I'm saying that if you lead a life based on lies (which is what fairy tales are), you get nothing out of it. It's not worth living. You would be looked upon as an insane man if theism wasn't the majority. For example - if a man says that aliens are coming to give us ice cream from pluto that would make him happy... but would you seriously want his life? The crazy guy!


Religion teaches morality alright... religion killed hundreds of millions of people. Crusades, French Wars of Religion, Thirty years war... if there was no religion the World Trade Center might still be there. The bible says it's okay to have slaves, to rape, to commit genocide, extermination, murder, animal and human sacrifices. If you would like references for this please ask.


I would very much like to see your "proof". Give me your best shot! There doesn't need to be proof for religion to exist. There doesn't even have to be a god for religion to exist (obviously). Miracles themselves cannot be proven. The bible has very little proof and the proof it does have are things like "Yes, the romans were real..."

science has theories which are open to change. religion and god aren't open to anything. So instead of giving us proof he's trying to trick us? he created dinosaur bones that register as millions of years old, observable evolution, stars which are millions of light years away (meaning the universe is older than the bible says), and then he expects us to turn to bronze-age mythology... wouldn't that make him a liar and a deceiver? Or is he doing it because he is loves us!? I would be a believe in him if he told us all the *truth*. I don't trust liars and if all that is true I think I'd rather go to hell.

But most likely, god doesn't exist and neither does his god-man. Which is relieving...

And this is still just a friendly debate.

You've read my post and what I believe, you prob know I'm an atheist because I don't believe there is a higher power, however I do agree with you that religion isnt a problem as long as it doesnt create conflicts. At lot of wars and shit in the past were caused because of religious argument. I may not believe in any religion but I do believe that religion plays a HUGE role in creating stability among people.
Religions shouldn't be exiled or anything because people depend on then in so many ways. If someone is in the hospital with a terminal disease, usually the only thing that keeps them surviving for as long as possible is the faith that a higher power will help them. By no means should anyone say that you shouldn't have faith in what you believe. Also, its been said a few times, the consequences that come out of religion is the only thing that keeps people from doing whatever they feel like doing, and the rewards are the only reason for someone to have the motivation to live a fulfilling and peaceful life.
However, there are always the conflicts that are created between religions because both sides think their religion is correct and they are willing to fight for it. Religion isnt the problem, the problem is people taking religious debates too far.




Ok, for this one, you really have to look at a person's perspective of a "miracle". You may view a miracle as when someone gets healed from a disease, but I may view it as the doctors doing the best job they can. I may view a miracle as the Steelers winning the Superbowl a few years ago, but you may view it as a properly executed game. A "miracle" cannot be defined as anything, let alone proof of god, because the idea of a "miracle" is very relative.




Ok, the bible cannot be disproved or proved in any way. And no1 is saying that the bible is just one big lie that manged to intertwine perfectly. If you do understand that it was written over the span of thousands of years than you must understand that as the story was passed on, throughout time and translation, that the actual story could have been much different. I'm not trying to convince you that the bible is incorrect or something but rather that there is a strong possibility that the story the bible tells isnt necessarily the story that was originally told.



This is all fine, I honestly dont think I want to know the truth about "God", but several religions say that in order to get into "heaven" you have to go to church on a regular basis and pass on the word of "God". If there really is a "God" and this is what "he" wants, then "he" really hasnt taken into account that some people don't want to spend their time going to church and spreading the word if they arent really sure there is anything there. What if an atheist lives a good life, never commits murder, and obeys all the rules around him, should he go to "hell" just because he didnt believe, despite living a good, fulfilling, and honest life?

1. yeah I woldnt go as far as to kill some one over relgion at all... I wouldnt even go as to yelling im not the type of person who will be agressive really , I just like ppl to get my input on it as well as listening to theirs...its amazing to listen to some ones input and thoughts and compare them to yours , some may be same some may be totally different and your right ,alot of wars were caused by religion hell , almost every war was... but some one once told me if their was no relgion there would be no war , but this is untrue , the world is fucked , no matter what , if their was no relgion humans would fight over some other dumb shit...lol

2. I dont mean healing from a doctors medacine , I ment like if some one has a tumor and it disapears with no medical treatment.... (wich has hapened) and the doctors can not explain it a glitch in the universe? or pherhaps theres a higher being no one knows

3. your right , it can not be totally proved becuase we dont have a time machine , all we can go by is what all history is based on , artifacts.... and tahts what we have as proof... yeah I would love to read the original bible... thats why i belive you should read the bible we have and do what ever you thinks right from the text.... just becuase it may say do this , may not mean you need to do tath sp[ecific thing ,

4 I for one am totally horrible against the "having to go to church..." its no in what i believe =p not at all... i think as long as you think you know god and he knows you theres no right or wrong way to go about it... I also dont believe in hell.... or the devil... I think thats one of those things that some one added in their to cover up some thing... some one may say "well then your not a real christian!" for those , define christian.... you will probably say "some one who follows the bible..." well your wrong... their are many types of christians and all of them are different....


thanks for your unput

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I'm a non-denominational Christian who doesn't fear death, I don't cling to God or the Christ because I fear death, and I sure as hell (Yes, I'm a Christian who swears, too! Gasp!) don't "cling" because of any fear. I believe because I believe. I believe because of my own experiences and I don't plead, shove, expect, or anything else when it comes to my beliefs. I find it funny how so many people that don't believe in God have a tendency to sound so damn pissed off about it. Or they'll complain that someone doesn't respect them because they don't believe. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, so it goes both ways. For me, personally, you get what you give.

I'm also a Christian who hasn't been to church in at least ten years, because what I think, feel, want to say, is between me and God and I don't need to sit in a building with a bunch of other people, once per week or otherwise, to exercise my faith.

There are annoying Christians and there are annoying Atheists. Bottom line is that you should believe what you want to believe, what you feel is right, and don't bother listening to anyone else.

AMEN brotha XD took the words right out my brain =D

Some people believe what they want to believe, even when it's irrational and without foundation. Some would call it delusional. Not listening to anyone else is also a sign of a closed mind...

If you listen to others - and provided the logic and reason is there - then that should not be a bar to altering your opinion on matters or your world view.

I believe religion of Islam because I am Muslim and well known about Islam...

You brought back a 5 month old topic

I don't believe in a religion... i feel great about it, my life is perfect (Hmmm depends how you look at it ) but yea... i don't need to pray or believe in anything / anyone at the moment. I'm perfect without a religion.

My family follows Islam and I do too. However, I do not place religion first. My friends would say I am not too religious but more spiritual. And I agree. Religion is just a belief in a higher being and I agree there is someone who created it all. When I say spiritual, I don't mean the google or wikipedia definition, but rather the definition it really stands for: belief in oneself and ability. "If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right" spoken by Henry Ford.

There is no religion neither god, the only power which exists and binds person to person is Love, I Believe!

I still believe in God, but I'm not against atheist, if we all respect out beliefs then there will be no quarrels, no arguments and misunderstandings, someone may say that God was created by human imaginations just to stop crime and become and become a massive icon for everyone to acknowledge then let be it... but still for me god is god and no one will ever be god but god only himself..

im a bhudist and we belave that all creatures are at one and that we should always be vegi!!!

it doesnt really matter if you believe it or not..,
just be a better person and be a good one to
other people....

I am a christian and my viewpoint on the matter is that i believe in god and jesus i believe the bible to be true. but if im wrong and there was not,*not wrong just saying a viewpoint* i wouldn't really care what lies ahead.... i don't fear death.