In my opinion, the Death Penalty shouldn't be outlawed. Criminals should not rot away in our prisons for eternity, if they committed a severe crime.
If they murdered somebody, meaning they took a life..., that person should be prosectuted to the full extent of the law...and be put in consideration for recieving the death penalty.
A couple co-workers of mine dissapprove of this form of punishment, anyways I was curious to see what Zymic thought of it.

I don't believe in the Death Penalty. Because it proves the country who done it, is a hypocrite. To kill someone because they killed people is hypocritical and doesn't set a very good example.

I also believe rotting in jail is worse than death. But I wouldn't know.

I think it should go away.. because if you killed someone.. would you rather be in a high security prison.. maybe even in one of those 2 by 3 rooms your whole life or die.. personally i would die.. so i think people should pay the consequences and live the rest of their pitiful life in prison instead of being put to death and escaping the real torture.

/agree with Tom

Is this warboards? Just kidding.

I believe in the death penalty. What do you think these rapits, drug dealers, gang members, etc. are going to do after they get out of their 25 year sentence? Go to broadway? Sorry, but you ain't in Kansas anymore. These people are going to come back out of jail and keep doing the same thing they were born and raised to do.

However, I do believe in a second chance. Perhaps after they get busted 2 times and still keep doing what they aren't supposed to be doing, put them in the chair and plug it in. (I think Lethal Injection is not harsh enough)

But hey, everyone has different opinions, that's why the US Constitution has words like "Compromise" and "Bicameral"

Both of which function to keep balance and peace between opposing groups.

If you're doing something utterly stupid and you know what you're doing is wrong, be prepared to accept the consequences. There is no compromise when it comes to crime.

/agree with XyberForce

The whole justice system is hypocritical. However, it is a neccessary evil I suppose. Also, most of the time, when a death penalty is carried out, it's not because of fucking justice, it's to appease the people who want to see the criminal die.

Not necessarily,
To most people the Death Penalty means killing the guy, and to forget about him. Not to renew him or forget the crime he committed, but to forget/wipe him from the face of the earth. People do want to see him die, but not for the reasons you were suggesting...not to "appease" the people.

Let's take this into account, guys.

Last week(two/three weeks?) a white old man saw two black men trying to rob a house.

"You better stop now, I'm calling the cops"

The robbers ignored him. They went right in and started grabbing everything they could and couldn't find.

So the old man goes in his house and calls the cops.

"There are two people robbing my neighbor's house. I'm going to shoot them."

"No, sir. Please stay put until the cops arrive"

<About 10 minutes later, cops don't arrive>

The old white man gets his shotgun and shoots the two black guys from behind the back.

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Take these things into consideration:

1. The man called the cops
2. The cops didn't arrive after 15 minutes
3. The man told the burglars that he could see them
4. The burglars robbed anyways


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What annoys me most is this: people are trying to raise the "racism" flag on everything they can grab their hands on. For example, if the two burglars were white, nobody would've cared about this case. However , I want to see your opinions. Does this man deserve 10 years in prison, or Lethal Injection?

10 years in prison. I don't agree in the death penalty and also don't believe black people are the only criminals in the world. I am not black, I am white, but I still believe not all black people are criminal wankers. Just like I believe not all white people are racist pricks.

Is it me, or is Zymic turning from a Professional Tutorial site to Liberal 'peace is the way' site?

I fully agree with the death penalty, but, they should die how they killed their victims.

Dwayne, Great Point.
You can't preserve death deserving lives, it does not work that way.
Peace is not always an option in the United States and other Countries.

2 things wrong with that.....

1. The black guys wouldn't of let that happen

2. The OLD white man has the right to kill them (broke into house, threatened his life etc etc)

I think the death penalty should be used on certain occasions

Yes, but lets use this example.

Lets say you killed 100 people. And each victim was killed in a different way, each and every time.

How would you die? Who would choose what way you die when 100 possible ways to die are present?

@EMOruffino - You are one sick person. The old white guy had the RIGHT to take the lives of two black men? WRONG. That is the most disgusting and inhuman reply I've ever had the displeasure of reading. That's just fucking sick.

You obviously think blatant theft is worse than murder. Especially of black people. That's common stupidity and racism. The black men in this scenario were but thieves. Nothing more, they did nothing to harm the old white man. The old man however, chose to kill them. For that, he gets 10 years in prison.

You believe what he done was just? No, it wasn't. He rang the police and was told NOT to do anything to the black men. He did it, whether he was thinking rational or not, it doesn't matter. He killed for a stupid reason. He wasn't being robbed, he wasn't being hurt. His neighbor was and he stood up for his neighbor. I applaud that. I DO NOT however, find it right in ANY way, shape or form, to say the old man had the right to kill the two black men.

You are now saying. That if you stole from me or someone I knew, I'd have the right to kill you. Yeah. Would you like that? Fuck no. Put yourself in the victims shoes before passing judgment.

this is just a category to talk in... lol

I find it sick because it would make my hypocritical not to. I don't believe in the death penalty, and yet, I believe people have the right to kill someone on your property? Hah! Fuck no.

Know one thing though. I'll never be going to the US any time soon. You shoot fucking people in your fucking yard! I wouldn't be surprised if you done it just because someone was there. I could simply STEP on your yard (as I'm walking by) and BOOM. You'd think you have the right to blow my brains out with a shotgun? Fuck that. It's not worth losing my life over.

I'm all for supporting for anarchy. I despise governments and the justice/punishment systems they run on. But I do NOT believe that someone should be killed/assaulted for simply walking on your property (without permission). I still don't agree with it, but I'd find it much more acceptable if such a person was doing something on your hard. Such as violating your property, or you, or your beliefs, etc.

And the courts shall never accept vigilantes. You know that, I know that. Everyone knows that. Guess what happens if we do? WE get arrested and charged for it. SO FUCK YOU GOVERNMENTS. Seriously though, this probably makes my hypocritical. But meh, whatever. I've said worse.

Who is the "you" in that reply? Tom lives in the UK...

I'm not really sure where I stand, I think I wouldn't be against it for things like repeat offenders of severe crimes - but I'm not overly sure that we should give judges that sort of power over people. It would need some pretty solid limits and clear boundaries over what can even be considered as applicable for that penalty.

I think the death penalty is good in some cases...Like if someone kills someone, premeditated then yes...he deserves to die (as much as I would rather him go to prison and get violated, beaten and then killed eventually) He does not deserve to breath...For cases like a drunken bar brawl got out of hand I think that would be a proper case for prisontime...

true....

yea in some ways its ok but.. somethimes it isnt treu or somebody not guilty gets killed by it and thats pretty stupid because it is nor fair.
maybe lifelong emprisoning is better so then sit the rest of their life thinking about what they did, let them smash on rocks like in the movies

Well if someone is wrongly convicted, If I were them I would want to just die and not spend the rest of my life getting raped and beaten...

I am completely against the death penalty. nobody deserves that. even people who are "bad" in the eyes of the law are "good" to someone else. the death penalty is just too... harsh. plus, despite any evidence, you never really know that a person actually did the crime they were convicted for. with their own life at stake, why would anybody admit to anything? I was really upset when Saddam Hussein was hung or beheaded or whatever happened to him. The british millitary and Iraqi people might have seen him as evil but from my point of view, he did Iraq a lot of good. Look how corrupt the country is without him. You need a hard guy like Hussein to keep a country like that under control. Also, killing people who kill people doesn't really solve a problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. The death penalty is wrong.
@EMOruffino that doesn't work. True, the black guys were probably armed but still - nobody has the right to kill anybody. the white guy didn't know why they were robbing the house, who they were, why they had chosen that house. he doesn't have the right to judge wether they deserve to die or not. its wrong.

Wow...
I'm assuming you do not live in USA, if you do...let me reiterate the Wow...
Saddam Hussein is considered a Terrorist in the United States, it was right that he was hanged. If you support terrorism, and the death and destruction of many lives, then what ever floats your boat dude.
Saddam changed Iraq, but among a Terroist Saddam was a Racist. Killing many indeginous peoples of his native country. The Sunni/Shiite crap...
What Saddam did was wrong on so many levels. He terrorized one of the World's Powers, now we are trying to help his country. Give the help that Saddam did not give, to do whats right and bring freedom to the Iraqi people, not kill them.
You are sick if you support that man.

The Death Penalty is not harsh, period. We took his life because he was one of the persons responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He was part in responsible for taking so many lives, is it not so cruel to take his life? Give him the ultimate punishment that he gave so many more Americans.
Shame on you Grumpy.

Its called Laws.

No, learn the concept of my opinion, that is my opinion.


Tom, your located in London. Different country, different ideas/opinions, and different form of government.
Democracy is a better form of Government than having a Dictatorship.

i wasn't saying he was the good guy, but if you can just look an compare: Iraq with saddam hussein as a dictator and Iraq under the US and British military. There's been a lot of death and destruction in both scenes but at least before, there wasn't the corruption., the civil hatred. all the stupid car bombs and shit where they're just killing each other instead of helping their country.
and no, i don't live in the USA.

I hate to break it to you, but Iraq has been in a civil war for what seems like forever. Religion is the major play in that. The US and British military have done a lot to resolve that, and with the US elections coming up we will probably be pulling out of there sooner. Making Iraq even more democratic.

@Tom
Stop linking retarded WikiPedia articles.

ok ok. i don't give too much of a shit about global issues anyway.//
the US are being nice. good for them.

Yea...
Back to the topic.
Is the Death Penalty wrong?

Everything is the USA's fault, but we just do the killing to quite it down....

Hooah for murder! Death Penalty wont ever leave, it's been around since God created Man.

I'm all for the Death Penalty, and wished they would bring it back in UK! I think the last person that got Death Penalty in UK was in 1964.

..But recently a local man was stabbed to death on his Door step..all beacuse he asked some Youths to keep noise down outside of his house, so his new born son would settle down. 2 of them got life in prison(isn't that long in UK) and can't remember what other one got! but i know it wasn't life.. because he was only 15 or something.

But I really do think the Death Penalty would really sort things out in UK. Less knife crime, etc etc.

There's just one thing I dislike about the death penalty. As humans we are imperfect, and one wrong judgment can ruin a person's life permanently. As in they won't come back.

Like I said before, drunken bar brawl = mistake = no death
Pre-Medatated, Rape, then stabbing a few times = psycho = DEAD! lol

Wow, I just had a discussion about this in my English Seminar class. What the problem related to death penalty is, is the fact that those that are being placed until this termination program were convicted of their crime early in the days when DNA testing was not discovered. Now, the day of advanced technology, we begin to proof those crimes. The more we try, the more we figure out our sin. I think the percentage of innocent people being murdered under the death penalty was about 69%. They were proven innocent. According to the news, New Jersey will most likely abolish Capitol Punishment/Death Penalty and New York will most likely follow.

Lol and San Fransisco ...they are hippies But Texas will never, According to Ron White they put in an express lane

I honestly think that Texas honestly believe they are their own country.

I'm glad you said that, because from the people i have met from Texas, thats the way it seems....

Here's how I look at it. Murder isn't just black and white. Death and Life. You can't just say "This guy killed him, so lets treat him with the same punishment." Sometimes people have reasons for killing others and I'm not saying it's okay to... far from it. Killers die and Drunks go to jail... ehhh. Theres a light shade of gray but there's so much more. It can go so much deeper. Just because someone is killed, the murderer isn't a psycho. There are reasons to what people do. When there aren't... then those people are the psychos.

Well like a battered wife who has no other way...I think she should go to prison, If she gets off easy then it messes with her look on punishment for murder, If she got away with killing her husband then she would think 'Hmm...My new boyfriend and I are in a (non physical) fight and he was very out of line for calling me out on what he had a problem with...I can just kill him and say he beat me.'

OR if she goes to prison for a few years:
'Hmm...My new boyfriend and I are in a (non physical) fight...I am sure we will get through this, Thank god he doesn't hurt me...I really hated prison'

Now like I said earlier case by case...Thats why there are trials and its not just black and white.

could i just go back to the point were some one said something about 2 black peeps robbing a house... the ethonic minorities will always win racism court cases as our goverment is weak... it should be fair for all... if not then realy the goverment is being racist

The death penalty is a deficiency of the legal system of any country. It provide support only when the goverment ran out of resources to punish a crime.

No one have the dutie to take of the life of someone else so it can't be a solution anyway.

On one of those posts on the topic about what are criminals going to do, whenever they get outta jail, they are going to go back and do the same thing they have been born and raised to do.

One of the only things Born To Kill is a bullet. (and I dont think tha bullet is excited about it, Its its job)

Alot of peoples ways are learned through repetition. And prision is supposely a place to preserve them from society and help them with their excessive behavior, and get them once again domesticated.

I dont agree with alot of the prison systems, they need to quit having prisoners associate with others. They need to have at least One year of strict isolation. Maybe the prison guard can talk to them, and maybe have family come see them 3 times a year if there good.

I think with alot of the prison systems having other prisoners communicate with other prisoners. They dont have them focus their attention on the problem that they have done. They are too much into competition. They need silence, until they find themselves, then have doctors go in there, and put the prisoner into some sort of hypnosis through association. And repeat that until they have emotional reactions about their crime. Then torture the hell outta them with psychological techinques in hopes they may be fit for society. I take that last sentence back, just threw it for the hell of it. The doctors dont actually dont have to do anything, the prisoners own conscience tortures themself through assoiciation. But the doctors should help the prisoner stay planted into reality, without trying to determine them into doin' good.

I disagree with the death penalty, I think it benefits society, mainly the money part of it, not mankind.

If a person has a choice or value of taste between two things. one gets choosen, and the other comes to a end.

SO r u gys saying pedophiles deserve a death sentance?

The death penalty is stupid. the government is a hypocrite for even allowing this there killing someone for killing someone. What sense does this make
but I don't know my judgment would be way different if someone in my family or someone I cared about a lot got killed

The death penalty should be given for severe crimes like rape, murder etc. But the death should be in the very painful means. Not just by hanging the person and he doesnt feel pain( only feels for half minute ). He should be given death slowly and gradually.

If you were my judge, I'd be screwed.

Hehe, I've just read the whole three pages and some very important key factors here.
I have to admit, I would be very bias if it happened to a relative of mine or even a friend. But this all rerfers to the bible in my opinion, No. I am not religous in anyway (Unless you say eating,shitting and sleeping is a religion ) People kill for various reasons.. They themselves know it's wrong. If the Death Penalty was to come back here in the UK, Some people might consider their actions. For example, Someone wants to rob a bank, They think long and hard about it for a few solid weeks. They calculate their advantages and dis-advantages, It practically works out at 10-15 years imprisoment. If they are, let's say 20.. by the time they are 35, They could come out of jail and be rolling in it. But if the Death Penalty was lingering anxiously, Would they even consider doing it? Don't think so.
As I mentioned above about the bible. 'An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth' is very very accurate. You think about a Boxing Match, He punches you.. What do you do? Give 'em a good punch back. Life's a viscious cycle which will never stop.
Personally in my eyes I think the Death Penalty should be legal now. They have the technology to find out if somone is Guilty or Innocent.
Ofcourse, it depends on the crime. I wouldn't suggest if you stole a chocolate bar or something you get hung for it. I mean something like Attempted Murder, man Slaughter etc etc. That's a good time to throw it in to play. Plus, The money factor: Ok, Quite cheap really to Grab a rope, a high raised building and a flag pole, Your home made gallows. But how much would you need to pay the executionar? Can you imagine how he/she must feel? and the harassment wouldn't be very good either. After all, they are only doing their job.. Just like a referee in football, He sends of a Striker and gets Dogs Abuse from the rest of the players LOL

Anyway, I agree with the Death Penalty.

In my opinion and in the words of a funny man "if you kill some one...we will kill you back" it teaches you if you kill some one you WILL die

Well, We all have to die at some point.. Some people take fate into their own hands and kill people.

Homicide.