I have gathered enough evidence that Opera is "better" than Firefox. I ran tests on sc2armory.com As you all should know a very graphic-intensive site.
For my 2500 MB/S internet connection, it took (on average) 10 seconds to load on Firefox.
With Opera, just under 5 seconds. Both had only 1 tab on them, and not running at the same time.
I tested it 3 times each. Firefox was
10 seconds 2 times
9 seconds 1 time
Opera was
5 seconds 1 time
7 seconds 1 time
5 seconds 1 time
No, I did not make this information up.
Now, let's look at why Firefox is the "best" web browser, shall we?
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Tabbed browsing. The Myth: "Mozilla invented tabbed browsing, and all other browsers are just copycat shits"
The truth: Opera had a "multiple document interface" since version 1.0, long before Mozilla was a gleam in Netscape's eye.
Fastest Surfing. The Myth: "Mozilla is the fastest web browser out there"
The truth: It might be, but with users downloading all these massive add-ons, it get s bogged down into the realm of slowness. However, with opera they have this useful tool called a sidebar. Which hides and deactivates all your widgets until you actually click on em.
Firefox is Safe! The myth:"Firefox is the safest web browser on the internet"
Schlump. Looks like Firefox is almost as bad as IE. I remember seeing that on a web page, but I can't remember or have lost the bookmark. My apologies. Opera is by far the safest browser available for download.
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Well, looks like Firefox isn't as great as you thought it would be. But hey what the hell. All browsers weren't created equal, so just get over it. Just kidding, this explains everything.
Full Version: Opera: The Underdog
if only you were right on tabbed browsing....
Netcaptor my friend
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who cares about speed? like i care if this php page opens 1/2 a second later, blame your pc, not your browser
what you have brought here, just shows us that FF2 might be starting to show its age.... who cares...
Netcaptor my friend
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who cares about speed? like i care if this php page opens 1/2 a second later, blame your pc, not your browser
what you have brought here, just shows us that FF2 might be starting to show its age.... who cares...
This argument has been beaten to death long ago. We have acknowledged that Opera is a good browser but it is merely your personal opinion that it is superior to Firefox. Firefox has a plethora of add-ons and simple interface which make it a desirable browser. Just let people be. 
I personally dislike IE and Opera.
I use Firefox and firefox only, Don't care to try opera, Took IE off my start menu's program list (still installed becuase Microsoft doesn't like firefox and believes IE is better...5 bucks said they tested their site in Firefox and it looked better, and they were like :X MUST USE IE!!!) rofl
/win
No real arguments here, heh.
No real arguments here, heh.
Firefox's plugin system is just technically superior to Opera's (it provides more hooks, so more is possible). Firefox and Gecko are Open Source. The two main reasons I prefer Firefox.
How long does that page take to process with IE7?
QUOTE(Alex @ Dec 19 2007, 01:30 PM) 
Firefox's plugin system is just technically superior to Opera's (it provides more hooks, so more is possible). Firefox and Gecko are Open Source. The two main reasons I prefer Firefox.
I see your point, and an exceptional one at that.
But at the same time, Firefox fanboys keep saying that Firefox is better because
-it invented tabbed browsing
-it's safe
-fast
Yeah, they're ignorant, and most of the time don't really know what they're talking about. But when it comes down to it, it's all about marketing and money, really. Companies have to say what's good about their product, not saying that they're lying or anything.
I'm niether biased towards or against firefox. I use both browsers equally as a matter of fact. (And I keep mr.IE for testing)
Meh. Firefox 3 BETA is faster than Firefox 2 lol. Doesn't say much, does it? Also, Why is Opera safer? Simple question. Simple answer. It's safer because unlike Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, it's not commonly used. You ask 1000 people what browser they use and most will either IE or FF (most likely IE).
People use IE for convenience. As it's preinstalled on Windows systems (unless you use Linux, then it's FF or Safari for Mac). People use FF because it's more widely known and because of it's reviews.
Not many people know about Opera. I do, but only because I had to use it at one stage. And it looks and handles like FUCKING SHIT.
People use IE for convenience. As it's preinstalled on Windows systems (unless you use Linux, then it's FF or Safari for Mac). People use FF because it's more widely known and because of it's reviews.
Not many people know about Opera. I do, but only because I had to use it at one stage. And it looks and handles like FUCKING SHIT.
QUOTE(Nexus @ Dec 24 2007, 03:14 AM)
And it looks and handles like FUCKING SHIT.
Enlighten me.
Well, that statement is a bit misleading. As that's an old version that sucked and I never used it since because of that. I'll try Opera again, BUT I WON'T LIKE IT lol.
EDIT: I'm testing Opera myself right now, lol. And, so far, it's actually pretty good. However, I'm impressed by it's speed but I'm not used to it's interface (which is understandable, as I am a FF-user lol). And unlike Firefox, it's Password Manager does not have a "Master Password" like Firefox does. This means, with Opera.Anyone could log into my account and steal any password they want from any of the sites I'm connected with.
Sorry, scratch that. It doesn't have a Master Password but you can't view other peoples passwords either. This is still good and bad. With FF, the Master Password is needed to even allow FF to fill out the forms itself. Whilst with Opera, not having this function does mean people cannot go into the Preferences to check the passwords, but it does mean they won't have to.
Sure, they can log into your account but can't change the password. But by just logging into your account it's damage enough.
EDIT: I'm testing Opera myself right now, lol. And, so far, it's actually pretty good. However, I'm impressed by it's speed but I'm not used to it's interface (which is understandable, as I am a FF-user lol). And unlike Firefox, it's Password Manager does not have a "Master Password" like Firefox does. This means, with Opera.
Sorry, scratch that. It doesn't have a Master Password but you can't view other peoples passwords either. This is still good and bad. With FF, the Master Password is needed to even allow FF to fill out the forms itself. Whilst with Opera, not having this function does mean people cannot go into the Preferences to check the passwords, but it does mean they won't have to.
Sure, they can log into your account but can't change the password. But by just logging into your account it's damage enough.
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I have gathered enough evidence that Opera is "better" than Firefox. I ran tests on sc2armory.com As you all should know a very graphic-intensive site.
For my 2500 MB/S internet connection, it took (on average) 10 seconds to load on Firefox.
With Opera, just under 5 seconds. Both had only 1 tab on them, and not running at the same time.
I tested it 3 times each. Firefox was
10 seconds 2 times
9 seconds 1 time
Opera was
5 seconds 1 time
7 seconds 1 time
5 seconds 1 time
For my 2500 MB/S internet connection, it took (on average) 10 seconds to load on Firefox.
With Opera, just under 5 seconds. Both had only 1 tab on them, and not running at the same time.
I tested it 3 times each. Firefox was
10 seconds 2 times
9 seconds 1 time
Opera was
5 seconds 1 time
7 seconds 1 time
5 seconds 1 time
Yes opera loads faster than firefox, because of its cache system.Think that's a good thing?
Extra bandwidth you're wasting.
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Tabbed browsing. The Myth: "Mozilla invented tabbed browsing, and all other browsers are just copycat shits"
The truth: Opera had a "multiple document interface" since version 1.0, long before Mozilla was a gleam in Netscape's eye.
The truth: Opera had a "multiple document interface" since version 1.0, long before Mozilla was a gleam in Netscape's eye.
Who cares who invented it first?Are we 10 year old's or what?
As long as it works,fuck who invented it.
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Opera is by far the safest browser available for download.
Say's who?
Because you see headlines talking about firefox flaws?
Everytime you see another firefox flaw being publicised it means another step in becoming the safest browser out there.Now more than ever,there's people auditing firefox code,and whenever a flaw is discovered it is made public.
Can you say the same about IE and Opera??
NO you cant,in fact they hide flaws from public knowledge, and the number of flaws publicised is far less than the ACTUAL number of flaws found.
What happens A LOT in closed source projects, is to find a flaw but because it's not known just wait until the next release cycle to patch it.
Sometimes 1 month,other times 2,3 months....
During that time, you're VULNERABLE.
You like opera better than firefox?fine...
Just don't be an ignorant next time,talking about things you don't understand.
People should stop using IE in their examples. IE is a bad example of a "bad browser" as it's been given that title too many times. To give IE the rank of "bad browser" is true, but overused. IE is little to no competition to even the lowliest of browsers. Compare the browser to something worthwhile would ya!
Oh and rac, if you posted as much facts as you did shit, you might get somewhere. You praise Firefox like it's a fucking God. Get the fuck over it.
Oh and rac, if you posted as much facts as you did shit, you might get somewhere. You praise Firefox like it's a fucking God. Get the fuck over it.
QUOTE(Nexus @ Dec 24 2007, 11:49 AM)
Oh and rac, if you posted as much facts as you did shit, you might get somewhere. You praise Firefox like it's a fucking God. Get the fuck over it.
I dont care about firefox "like it's a fucking god".Im just saying that it's has more potential than the alternatives.
And im not biased,i use firefox,opera,IE,lynx/links,seamonkey,etc...
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"It's safer because unlike Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, it's not commonly used"
This is crap commonly employed by Microsoft.
A less know product is not safer,it might have more flaws than a popular product,they just haven't been discovered but they ARE there.
Rephrasing:
The amount of flaws is not proportional to the popularity of a product.
To be fair, the point on safety in Open Source and Closed Source projects is worth noting, it's the reason why basing your conclusions of which browser is safer (and moreover, which codebase is of better quality) on things like the number of vulnerabilities known by <input security company here> over a given year or several leaves you with a conclusion which is not significant in the slightest (even if they do love doing it). You have to be a bit careful of who's making these assertions of security and what they're basing them on before you take any heed.
Opera is vastly superior to firefox, i've been using it for a while.
FF is FINALLY catching up to Opera (only a little) with FF3 passing Acid2 and sizing down that huge memory footprint
FF is FINALLY catching up to Opera (only a little) with FF3 passing Acid2 and sizing down that huge memory footprint
Personally, I'd like to see a nice browser built around KHTML (or WebKit I guess, but I prefer the original ). The trunk version had full CSS1/2/3 support before any of the other rendering engines, and the JS support has improved fairly dramatically recently. The only problem is that the only real browser which uses it is Konqueror, and it doesn't have a particularly intuitive interface given it's ability to do almost everything KDE can. Something targeted would be well received by me. Who knows, if I get bored in uni, maybe I'll work on one.
). The trunk version had full CSS1/2/3 support before any of the other rendering engines, and the JS support has improved fairly dramatically recently. The only problem is that the only real browser which uses it is Konqueror, and it doesn't have a particularly intuitive interface given it's ability to do almost everything KDE can. Something targeted would be well received by me. Who knows, if I get bored in uni, maybe I'll work on one.
You do realise, that not all Closed Browsers and new browsers have large quantities of flaws. Where do you get the assumption from? Fuck, you guys use Firefox and IE so fucking much you've probably never touched something else because you ASSUME it's got flaws in it. IE has flaws in it, because it's a piece of crap.
Opera WILL have flaws in it, even FF does. But if no one uses Opera and everyone mainly uses FF/IE, then crackers are going to target then more. Aren't they? Duh.
Opera WILL have flaws in it, even FF does. But if no one uses Opera and everyone mainly uses FF/IE, then crackers are going to target then more. Aren't they? Duh.
Your post makes no sense, Nexus, and I fail to see your point. You start with "you're idiots because you assume it has flaws", and then in the next paragraph you say "Opera has flaws"...
Just so you know, it's been common knowledge that all large software projects are inevitably going to have bugs for at least thirty years. The only way around that is to move to formal methods, and actually derive the code from formal proofs (though of course, you have to get the proofs right for it to be bug free even with them). This is because only formal proofs can show the absence of bugs, testing does not. So the assumption is well supported, and completely valid.
Just so you know, it's been common knowledge that all large software projects are inevitably going to have bugs for at least thirty years. The only way around that is to move to formal methods, and actually derive the code from formal proofs (though of course, you have to get the proofs right for it to be bug free even with them). This is because only formal proofs can show the absence of bugs, testing does not. So the assumption is well supported, and completely valid.
Hahaha Bezz nice way to break up the tension. *pulls out Opera Saber*
NO! I SHALL CRUSH YOU WITH THE NEWEST BROWSER!!
MR. JIGGLES 1.54.6789396!!!
MR. JIGGLES 1.54.6789396!!!
Nexus yes i assume opera,firefox,IE,etc have bugs.Why??
Simply because of the languages used and the level of the program's complexity.
C based languages are more than known to have serious flaws in its library functions(read libc).
Example:
Format string vulnerability....
Stack based buffer overflow...
You see how it is to screw up.
Why do people use these languages then?because of its efficiency and low level capabilities.
Simply because of the languages used and the level of the program's complexity.
C based languages are more than known to have serious flaws in its library functions(read libc).
Example:
CODE
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc,char **argv)
{
printf(argv[1]);
}
int main(int argc,char **argv)
{
printf(argv[1]);
}
Format string vulnerability....
CODE
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(int argc,char **argv)
{
char s[100];
if(argv[1] != NULL)
strcpy(s,argv[1]);
}
#include <string.h>
int main(int argc,char **argv)
{
char s[100];
if(argv[1] != NULL)
strcpy(s,argv[1]);
}
Stack based buffer overflow...
You see how it is to screw up.
Why do people use these languages then?because of its efficiency and low level capabilities.
Post examples all you want. I'll never understand them. I don't program in C.
QUOTE(Nexus @ Dec 25 2007, 09:08 AM)
Post examples all you want. I'll never understand them. I don't program in C.
Ditto..hahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAOMGSOFUNNNYLOLZOMFGEXDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
But you get my point.Programs with thousands of lines of code will certainly have bugs.
Programmers are far from perfect
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Programmers are far from perfect
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