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paperman
ok first of all my web site url is www.paperworld.zxq.net
second im using software called bluevoda and I can seem to be able to upload it to zymic
it just says like unknown file type
can any one help me with this problem if not can anyone tell me of any software thats just like blue voda hunter.gif
Trippin7464
Okay I googled Bluevoda, and came up with a Windows Application. Are you trying to upload these files to your website?

If So, stop. You are supposed to open the bluevoda application on YOUR computer, design the page, then when your done, the files it gives you should be uploaded.

Also I don't know everything about bluevoda because their website is broken right now, I found that info from cached google.

AND one final thing, If i'm wrong about what bluevoda is, then please correct me.
paperman
ok ya I know you have to make a page and upload it ive made one but zymic says when i upload it unknown file type then it doesnt let me upload it thats the problem
Trippin7464
what the name of the file that isn't uploading?

And your main file, the main page should be a index.html or index.php file. So if the bluevoda didn't make one of those then you need to look at Save as inside the program, or look for an Export option, Or maybe even Publish.

I can't say for sure cuz that site is still down, so I can't look it up for you.
paperman
well your write but the only way to publish it is to publish it to vodahost witch costs $7.45 a month vs. zymic for free
but do you know of any wysiwyg(what you see is what you get) based web editing software that can do menubars.
Trippin7464
It's not WYSIWYG but I don't know of any. I can't remember if it will do menubars, but try HTML-KIT it's the best there is

Visit http://www.htmlkit.com/download/ and on the left side, don't bother filling in email and stuff, just click blue button says Download HTML-Kit 292

Of course read up on it firt if you want, but i'm just letting you know how to get directly to their Free version and not pay for HTML-Kit Tools (their paid one)

paperman
well thanks but i have to have the wysiwyg type i dont know html and when I try learning it just cant seem to figure it out
ill i can do is text cant figure out how to make it a like a normal site sry thanks thow
wozzym
html is quite easy to learn. i learned from http://www.w3schools.com i think it was...it gives you a full tutorial of both basic and advanced html, has all other scripts as well. you take a test at the end for understanding. wink.gif
paperman
ya that was the same website I found on google and I learned alot of stuff but mostly when I try doing the upoad abground or image orsomething all the code is perfect but then it doesnt show up the stuff I uploaded like this

<body>
<html>

well I cant remember but the thing so you can like have mutlipale bacgrounds and just basicly every thing I upload doesnt work well not upload but type in like this

"cant remember.jpg">

it never works and I just dont get how you put every thing together wantch you have typed it all up like
all you can do is left center and right theres not much freedom with html
Trippin7464
Thats why you learn tables (which I don't reccomend, since it is outdated)
Or CSS, which gives you COMPLETE freedom.
wozzym
ya css is better. try xhtml even less freedom
paperman
ok is css just as easy
wozzym
depends wut u mean by that. if u spend time on it then yes. it is
Trippin7464
I think it's pretty simple. You could actually just find a free CSS template.
This site is nice, you click on a picture of how many colums you want and it gives you the coding for it. So you could possibly learn that way. http://www.mycelly.com/

and two great sites for completely free designs, http://www.oswd.org/ and http://opendesigns.org/
paperman
ok thanks well ive done my first thing in css but then I go to preview it it doesnt put out the actual thing
it just shows up what well all of the css code I wrote can any one help me with this
Trippin7464
did you save it as a .html file? and upload it to your web site account?
paperman
no just previewed it in browser is all but how come save it as html exstension if its css code
Trippin7464
Because css is a style. It needs to be ran inside of HTML. If you wrote all your css coding in a file named style.css then in your HTML you need to include style.css to be opened. Otherwise you could just paste it at the top of your HTML file inside <STYLE> tags, but I don't recommend that in case you want to quickly and easily change your style.
Here just as an example download this free css template
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/preview/swanky
(yes it's pink, I chose it cuz it's the first one. and maybe it will make you learn how to change images and stuff)
Once you download this, you'll notice inside the folder you've got a folder for images, you've got index.html, and you've got style.css (and license.txt but thats not important, after you read it you can delete it)
If you open index.html you'll notice this line
CODE
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" />

This line lets the browser know to open style.css when it opens the page, so that all the style settings can be applied.
If you look at the style.css file you'll notice around line 119 there is a section called Header
CODE
#header {
    width: 900px;
    margin: 0 auto;
    background: url(images/img02.gif) no-repeat top left;
}

If you go back to the HTML file, you'll notice there is a div labled header
CODE
<div id="header">

everything inside of this div will have the style from the css called #header applied to it.

I'm sorry about the back and forth between files, and the randomness of this, but I figured if I gave you those examples you could better understand whats going on with css.
CSS itself is not standalone like HTML.
paperman
its ok and thanks for all your help so far i really needed it but im thinking in the long run ill end up learning html and css
coding but for right now I need to get my site up and running and start getting noticed and popularity and get some sales in before the end of the year but I think I will eventually learn html and css but just not right now I need to get things up and going do you think you could help me find a really good wysiwyg editor that can do menubars and also I need some short of free e-commerce or shopping and payment and shipping software for my site aswell see im trying to create
a sight called paperworld where people can by products from me to do paper modeling its an awsome hobby along with some other added things aswell

but these are the things I really need and maybe if your willing to help me look for these please

e-commerce payment shipping all that good stuff
all for free witch im looking to use with that is paypal
see im only 13 so but I know alot about this stuff and have bin reasearching it for a long long time over like 3 years
so I really want to do this


so what I need is again

e-commerce payment and shipping and shopping cart software in one bundle or indivigual
basicly so I can sell stuff on my website

and again if you want just if you want if you would be willing to help me look for this software thats free

thanks paperman
Trippin7464
Can you tell me this, are you looking for something thats is like click and drag a square and that makes a content box?

I don't know if this is what your looking for but KompoZer is free, and WYSIWYG http://www.kompozer.net/
Amaya looks a little more advanced but I can't tell http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Amaya.html
And this one alleycode looks like something that might help you learn later on http://www.alleycode.com/

And as for your eccomerce script, if you're going to be accepting payment via PayPal, why don't you just create the buttons within paypal. I don't remember how but somewhere on the paypal site, you can create customized items and paypal will give you a code for each one, so when the customer clicks that button, it automatically sets them up to be paying $dollars for whatever item. And you know which item it is because you label them how you want.
This way you don't have to worry about finding a script that will run on zymic, and you don't have to worry about maintaining it. All you would do is put a picture of whatever item your selling, description and price, then paste in the HTML code that paypal gives you... and i'm sure ALL WYSIWYG editors give you the option to insert custom HTML visually. Or if not can't be that hard to throw in

Sorry for the super long paragraph.
uncled1023
ok, i have bluevoda, cause i used to be in vodahost, then found this beauty of a host. you can still use bluevoda, heres how you do it...

1)you make your website on bluevoda.

2)click the tab that says HTML.

3)copy all the code.

4)create a new file in your websites file manager.(EX: index.html)

5)paste the code into the new file.

6)change all of the image paths to your where you will store your images[if any].(EX: /images/blah.gif)

7)save file

8)upload your image files into the folder you specified earlier.( best if you use FTP)

9)test by going to your website in your browser!
Trippin7464
Good Point UncleEd... Hopefully that will save paperman alot of time
wozzym
Edit: Bluevoda is impossible to make a decent template in.
paperman
well ive tried kompozer and well cant do much with it for what im looking into but ill check out ther other two links
thanks thow

ok ill try that with bluevoda thanks alot uncleed I was looking at the bluevoda fourms and the actual admin people who run it said it was impossible to do that thanks I love this site
paperman
ok this works but all the navigation bars and menu bars and some of the shapes dont show up just little red x
anyway to get around this. hunter.gif blink.gif smile.gif
wozzym
no way to get around it because the file for the navigation/menu bar pictures have to be uploaded on your site as well.
paperman
so than do I have to save them to afile them upload them one at a time
Trippin7464
I don't know how blue voda works, but the files must be somewhere in the program directory on your computer, like C:/Program Files/BlueVoda or something like that
wozzym
you can just have them in the sites main storage. (file manager) Everything will work together once it is in the same place.
paperman
ok ill will try that thanks guys.
wozzym
no problem. Tell me if it works.
paperman
well it did not work I uploaded them all in to the file manager like you said and named from 1.html threw 8.html
and it doesnt work still do I have to change the file exstensions maybe. mellow.gif unsure.gif hunter.gif
wozzym
it depend what the file extensions are in the code made by bluevoda. Check that and then correct the extensions.


And are you still working on that blog advertisement trade idea?
paperman
ok thanks ill try that I think they were gif and yes I am why
wozzym
ok. I was just wondering because i think it could be developed into a good idea.
paperman
really you think so ok whell im looking for partners for developing and stuff so
if you want ill go ahead and count you in thanks
wozzym
sure just pm me some more details and id be more than happy help out wink.gif
paperman
ok thanks

oh and I checked and they were all gif and then I uploaded them as that gif but it still didnt work. hunter.gif unsure.gif blink.gif smile.gif mellow.gif wacko.gif
wozzym
uploaded them into the same directory as the template?
paperman
ok I will try that thanks oh and sorry about the long wait for my reply bin bussy for the last couple of days lol thanks thow hope I can keap this thread going for other people later on. hunter.gif smile.gif blink.gif
machine
Paperman, if you're still looking for a WYSIWYG editor that's free, check these out:

NVU

KUPU

KompoZer

Trellian WebPAGE

Armaya


Please note: I have not used any of these, but they look like they could help you build a simple website...
wozzym
I would not recommend Trellian WebPAGE.
paperman
ok cool thanks ok sure ill stay away from trillion webpage thanks guys all try thows. smile.gif blink.gif hunter.gif
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