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suabe143
weve seen and heard in all nation , they are crying ,asking even begging. . . . "HELP"
in our era of life people are crying for help , help in a sense of being suffered in poverty.
do we ask ourselve why poverty always overtaking our lives?
my ancestors always told that the reason people become poverty it because they dont even work.
at this era of life, did we try to stop , look and listen to every one who seems that they are trying to do to be able to survive. how about the saying " POOR ALWAYS POOR AND RICH ALWAYS RICHER"
DID YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY?
suabe143
do you think investors causes the poverty ?
do we think un employed are the causes of poverty? for me thats only the effect of poverty
credence
i don't know about poverty but i'm feeling some bad effects of poetry right about now.
Midknight
Some people in poverty are happy with their lives and circumstances. How could you motivate some that have no desire or focus to change to anothers lifestyle. Anyone have any persuasive sales pitches. Its like someone trying to sale you something that you dont want or someone trying to draw guilt upon them to stimulate their desires to change.
Oldmuffin
Poverty ruins most of the world that we live in. Everywhere we look, we see at least one hobo hiding in a tunnel, and some poor woman out on the streets begging for money or food. The reason for this is the raising prices in our world. Just a few years ago, everything cost way less than it does now. Especially gas (i'm not going to get into that because we could go on for a long time and get off track). One other reason would be the amount of money we're taking to use it on the war (not getting into this either). Almost everything we do causes poverty in our world.
Tom
QUOTE(Oldmuffin @ Apr 24 2008, 09:55 PM) *
Poverty ruins most of the world that we live in. Everywhere we look, we see at least one hobo hiding in a tunnel, and some poor woman out on the streets begging for money or food. The reason for this is the raising prices in our world. Just a few years ago, everything cost way less than it does now. Especially gas (i'm not going to get into that because we could go on for a long time and get off track). One other reason would be the amount of money we're taking to use it on the war (not getting into this either). Almost everything we do causes poverty in our world.

I don't think you understand basic economic principles. Poverty has existed for centuries; rising prices has nothing to do with it. A "free" market (by this I obviously mean mostly free as there's no such thing as a truly free market) will always result in some individuals living in poverty, it's just another side of the coin. That said, even in Soviet Russia there was poverty (because there wasn't enough dosh in the economy)—so regardless of social and economic implementation, poverty in the third world will always exist.

For prosperity to exist there also has to be poverty. There is nothing we can do about it on the scale of our economic implementations, because our politics and economies are national (and we also have global markets) rather than based in small communities. Hence why in the first world, a lot of communities are equal in regard to poverty, because they manage things on a tiny scale independent of the rest of the country.

My opinion? On a relative scale (for instance if a country is suffering a depression, it is to be measured on a national scale), 99% of the time poverty comes from within. In my country it is up to the individual to make sure they are not one of the few who falls below the line. Hence why I don't give money to homeless people, but that's another topic entirely. tongue.gif
Oldmuffin
You're truthfully right. I know nothing about poverty or anything. I just decided that I should post something since I see so much of it.
Midknight
Speaking of poverty and drawing attention on particular to the homeless labeled type, I would say it has to do somewhat with economics and societies rotine work schedules and the desires of the common working folk along with other possible causes.

In particular I like to mention also, weather the individuals are drug abusers or have a mental illness, there is a high possiblity that both are due to a chemical imbalance in the brain along with other thought associated like factors. And of course one was voluntary imbalanced and the other one isnt. For both, apathy or somewhat like this concept can contribute to individuals lack of ability to finding a job suitable for them due to societies custom daily routine work schedules. I cant really give to much account or causes for drug abusers who end up in skid row, but for other, that might be another story. I wont end up on the streetz, you know how I roll. hunter.gif
Valency
Interesting topic.
Poverty in the 3rd World is mainly due to their governments. They purchased Army Materials, Ammunition, Fire Arms and even Nukes and ddn't think about the aftermath which was to follow. Hense why Africa is in need of desperate help. As for the local street campers, I don't care. I'll walk on by. If they are stupid enough not to work, get evicted, not pay their bills, that is their own fault. The government, council, provider are stupid enough to remove the priviledge. I do admit, I'd rather see them in proper sheltering, I'd hate to see anyone literally die on the streets.
Good choice of topic, Opened to various views.

Regards, Valency.
Midknight
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Poverty in the 3rd World is mainly due to their governments. They purchased Army Materials, Ammunition, Fire Arms and even Nukes and ddn't think about the aftermath which was to follow.


I hear ya there valency...Why is it that some governments do that...I think if it was for corrupt reasons, personally I would like to see some governments destroyed at the most, or re-framed so how. I am a type of person that mainly 75% of the time let people have their choice with no interference, but I dont think a government has a right to treat their own people like shit and/or project their own failures, desires, and ways on others. cool.gif
MrTouz
QUOTE(Midknight @ Apr 24 2008, 09:25 AM) *
Some people in poverty are happy with their lives and circumstances. How could you motivate some that have no desire or focus to change to anothers lifestyle. Anyone have any persuasive sales pitches. Its like someone trying to sale you something that you dont want or someone trying to draw guilt upon them to stimulate their desires to change.


Agreed.

QUOTE(Tom @ Apr 24 2008, 09:20 PM) *
For prosperity to exist there also has to be poverty. There is nothing we can do about it on the scale of our economic implementations, because our politics and economies are national (and we also have global markets) rather than based in small communities. Hence why in the first world, a lot of communities are equal in regard to poverty, because they manage things on a tiny scale independent of the rest of the country.


I do agree with you on the most part of your post '@tom'
I do not think you always need poverty to have prosperity. Economically talking, the 'economy' is a circle.

People invest, people work, people produce, people get money for production, people spend their money on their (and other) productions - so they - in a way invest for others to create - build - work and others to produce and make money for their own production.... and the circle continues...

If everybody work, everybody produces, everybody makes money, everybody consume, everybody live in the circle of economy. Now ok.. you can be working and be poor (its what is happening in france at this moment) but that is only because people can NOT handle 'their lives'
I am sure you are aware of : you can make 100$ a month and save 50$, and make 100 000$ a month and save 1$.

But everybody can work and everyone will be happy. In no way you need poverty for prosperity.
Also, i think 'poor' people give no advantage in prosperity. Since they are poor (again economically speaking) they do not consume much so they do not participate in the forming of the economy... basically they are doing no good for the prosperity.

But yes, nowadays its whats happening... people are poor.
But i will go with Tom on this one.. "it is up to the individual to make sure they are not one of the few who falls below the line"

For example : immigration in France has increase really highly from Africa. Most of the people that immigrate, unfortunately have no papers, so they can not work, they have no money and end up poor (not always the case in France since in France the social care is really good. You can have no papers, no work, no name but still receive money from the government (see how well the example is with the 'poor people not doing good to economy of country')) but to continue, they have no money so they end up poor. Well they can choose to stay in their countries and not end up poor (as poor like they are in the country they are moving to). They actually choose to come (for the comfort - i have come to believe it is for the social care in France) but they actually choose to come and end up poor.

And also like any other places where people do not get the chance to be born in in wealthy family... but hey, people survive that !... everybody has it chance !
Enarsee
well in India we hve become immune to poverty seeing them everyday. Seeing a child not geting food , 3-4 yr old child begging on da signal. But whatever steps the government takes, they r only happy to beg dont want education or anything
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